I don’t think this post is anti semitic or promoting a hateful ideology, it is me expressing a known fact that Israel and its lobby groups heavily lobbying the US. Simple as that.

My account was just suspended, I highly recommend anyone who has this viewpoint to simply not express it here. The fediverse and Mastodon and Lemmy are all a sham.

Really disappointed to be honest. I was hoping I could post my opinion and not have the left wing brigade show up to censor me or “educate” me. Fuck censorship and fuck Israel.

UPDATED: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED when I try to appeal on mstdn.ca…lol talk about spiteful. Must be a Montreal server. Big Jewish population in Montreal. Makes sense…added their API to my blokada Blocklist.

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    The idea that Israeli lobbyists are singlehandedly “paying off the US’ debt” is so patently absurd that I can easily see someone interpreting it as anti-semetic. Criticizing pro-Israel lobbyists is one thing, but when you start implying that Israeli lobbyists literally control the US government, I think you’re stepping into clearly anti-semetic territory.

    That alongside the wink-wink nudge-nudge “we all know who it is” comment really pushes this post over the edge. You’re clearly parroting anti-semetic tropes, intentional or not.

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      Not single-handedly, but they are enormous trading partners and lobby the US in the billions, that’s not far-fetched. B’nai Brith is a perfect example. I have Jewish friends that can discuss this issue more rationally than you, Zionist goof B’nai Brith even sues rabbis for being critical of Palestinians rights and IDF conduct:

      https://mondoweiss.net/2023/07/israel-lobby-group-bnai-brith-is-now-suing-rabbis-for-standing-up-for-palestinian-rights/

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        Well, that nuance is not present in your original post. Criticism of Israel and Israeli lobbying groups is perfectly fine, so long as you’re specific in your criticisms and you avoid hyperbole and generalizations.

        Your original phrasing is ambiguous and hyperbolic in a way that you could easily be referring to EITHER specific issues with certain Israeli lobbyist groups OR broad conspiracies about Jewish control of the US government. This same ambiguity is regularly used by anti-semites to disguise anti-semetic rhetoric as good faith criticism of the Israeli government.

        You may have had the best of intentions, but this post reads like Nazi concern-trolling, and I’m not surprised that it got censored.

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            Oh, absolutely. I was gonna mention that, but I knew he’d just whine about people judging him for his profile pic instead of his words or something like that.

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          Ugh. On irc I was NEVER banned and could speak freely. Fediverse is an imposter of a platform. Social media is a cancer and I’m tired of the left wing rainbow/Zionist concern troll brigades.

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    Someone is paying the USAs debt, and we all know who it is.

    I think you found your reason.

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    So I’m going to be very charitable here and say that the main problem is that your analysis is eye-wateringly dumb, which has made you accidentally invoke an antisemitic trope.

    The state of Israel is awful in so many ways, and there are lots of contentious things you can day about it — it’s an ethno-state operating a defacto apartheid system, for example — without resorting to facile shit about Jewish money lenders

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      Analysis of what, be specific. Money lenders? No, defence contracts that US and Israel both want to go off without a hitch and both economic countries rely on. FACT. Not facile shit. Grow up and stop acting so pretentious. What you you mean by the below, not familiar with this reference to ‘day’?:

      There are lots of contentious things you can day about it

      To elaborate," The U.S.-Israeli bilateral economic and commercial relationship is strong, anchored by two-way trade in goods and services that reached USD 45.1 billion in 2021, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, and extensive commercial ties, particularly in high-tech and R&D. The total stock of Israeli foreign direct investment (FDI) in the United States was USD 40.4 billion in 2020. Since the signing of the U.S.-Israel Free Trade Agreement in 1985, the Israeli economy has undergone a dramatic transformation, moving from a protected, low-end manufacturing and agriculture-led economy to one that is diverse, mostly open, and led by a cutting-edge high-tech sector.

      The Israeli government generally continues to take slow, deliberate actions to remove trade barriers and encourage capital investment, including foreign investment. The continued existence of trade barriers and monopolies, however, have contributed significantly to the high cost of living and the lack of competition in key sectors. The Israeli government maintains some protective trade policies."

      Source: https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-investment-climate-statements/israel/#:~:text=The total stock of Israeli,USD 40.4 billion in 2020.

      For Canada:

      "Since the original CIFTA entered into force in 1997, two-way merchandise trade has more than tripled, totalling more than $1.6 billion in 2020. Canadian direct investment in Israel reached $515 million and Israeli direct investment in Canada reached $617 million in 2020.

      A key element of the commercial relationship is collaboration in science, technology and innovation (STI). Bilateral STI relations are strong, developed through more than 20 years of close collaboration. The Government of Canada has partnered with Israel to support joint research, development and commercialization projects. The governments of Ontario and Quebec have also established programs to support companies and researchers pursuing partnerships with Israel."

      Source: https://www.international.gc.ca/country-pays/israel/relations.aspx?lang=eng

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    Its pretty obvious that they see that as nazi propaganda…

    Jews have money and bribe politicians was one of their points…

    Also Israel is based. A country where i can have a religion of my choice and can be gay without being killed… Get a life.

    Oh and thats not a left/right problem.

    I’ve seen a shit load of leftists hating Israel.

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      Spare me your political views, it wasn’t promoting any anti gay or anti religion, that’s my point to this post. Mstdn.ca cannot moderate impartially. Full stop. I don’t care about your views on Israel and how free it is, I live in the 5th most free country, well above Israel with a VERY large population of Jews that can discuss Zionism with behaving like a toddler throwing a tantrum.

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        How was your shitty post arguing about Zionism and not just saying “Jews manipulate our politicians”? Cause the later is what everyone else read.