• Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    Impossible I’ve been told Joe Biden was the most popular candidate ever and Dems would 100% lose without him.

    Next you’re going to tell me that not supporting Genocide would earn her even more votes.

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      I must admit that I got scared when Biden noped out of the re-election.

      I’m just glad that Kamala seems to be bringing the unification the dems need.

      Get her the nomination already! And people, people, people, don’t do a Hillary and become complacent. Get out and VOTE!

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        Anybody that feared Biden dropping out needs to re-evaluate the way they look at politics. This has been a long time coming, and has been an inevitability since 2015 when Democrat party leadership decided they could pull a fast one during the primary. Before we even knew Biden would be that incumbent, the shape of this election had already been decided.

        Now that Biden has dropped out, the Democrats have a chance. A lot of future history depends on how well Harris can turn the support for “Literally anyone else” to her advantage.

        Edit: I seem to be getting a lot of downvotes for my objectively correct assessments of politics. Seems to me like y’all are either mad that I was right, or Republicans who are mad that Biden dropped out.

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          Anybody that feared Biden dropping out needs to re-evaluate the way they look at politics.

          In what way?

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            I don’t know. It’s been pretty clear for a while that the traditional Democrat strategy of winning by courting centrists and staying the course has been less and less effective every election. Tapping into enthusiasm for leftist policies and energizing the base to increase turnout has seemed like the better move for a while. That’s what Obama won big on and then completely failed to deliver.

            Staying the course with the “nothing will fundamentally change” candidate was always a path to losing, and after his disastrous policy on Gaza we were in a nosedive.

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              That’s what Obama won big on and then completely failed to deliver.

              Bro, Imma stop you right there. The GOP shut down the government under Obama TWICE for no reason other than being the little shits that they are and don’t hide nowadays. So, don’t drive this “Obama did nothing” nonsense narrative. Also, ACA. Even the Republicans benefit from it right now.

              Now moving on, I still don’t see what is there to re-evaluate for the people who feared that Biden dropped out. Hindsight is 20/20, and it’s very easy to say “ha, you were wrong!” after the fact.

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            I’d been getting shit on for years for trying to tell people Biden would have to drop out to give the Democrats a chance this election. Lo and behold, once he finally does, Democrats are suddenly on track to win.

            Everyone who didn’t understand that this was going to be the case had their heads buried too deep in the sand to hear any of the legitimate, well intentioned criticism of their preferred candidate or the arguments for why switching would be a good thing. Such folks who accused me of being a Republican or a Russian bot when I was actually right cannot be trusted to perform political analysis.

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              You still haven’t said in what way people who feared Biden dropping out need to re-evaluate the way they look at politics.

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                They were afraid of a thing that would significantly improve their electoral chances because they were too wrapped up in their support for a presumed nominee to put their biases aside and consider the benefits of switching to another candidate.

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                  Your sentence comes down to: “Their biases made them afraid of considering better options.”

                  Specifically what biases are you talking about?

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                    Anchoring Bias, Salience Bias, Normalcy Bias, Confirmation Bias, Semmelweis Reflex, Egocentric Bias Blind Spot, False Consensus Effect, Illusion of Control, Illusion of Validity, Naive Realism, the Overconfidence Effect, Zero-Risk Bias, Neglect of Probability, Sunk Cost Fallacy, Plan Continuation Bias, Ambiguity Effect, Loss Aversion, Status Quo Bias, System Justification Bias, and the Dunning-Kruger Effect, among others.

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        Not a single person voting Democrat does so because they thought Biden was a great candidate.

        It appears nobody has learned anything from Hillary’s loss in 2016.

        Establishment ghouls are not popular Democrats. Conservatives will vote Republican anways, appeasing to the right is worthless.

        Only progressives get independents to vote blue.

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          Not a single person voting Democrat does so because they thought Biden was a great candidate.

          Tell me you’re unaware of his achievements as president without telling me…

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            I am aware Joe Biden is complicit in Genocide and performed like a senile geriatric on CNN.

            Tell me you don’t live in America without telling me.

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              I understand it’s hard to see a whole picture when onde side of a single issue occupies 100% of your brain capacity

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                Some people find it a little hard to ignore Genocide. Good to see the average Democrat has no issue with it and willingly admits it.

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                  Some people find it a little hard to ignore Genocide murdering babies. Good to see the average Democrat has no issue with it and willingly admits it.

                  The same logic and reasoning as conservative single issue anti-choice voters, it’s good that America is healing its divides.

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                    Comparing the need to Genocide brown children to need for abortion is a new low. Blue MAGA in full force.

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      I’m not sure that anyone claimed Biden was the most popular demograt candidate ever, it’s more that he was the safe choice, and dems have always played it safe…at least until this week where they’ve finally taken a chance on something.

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        Same here. When your choice is between boring, middle of the road corporatists and 100% concentrated evil, it shouldn’t be a tough choice to make.

        That doesn’t mean I’m a fan of Democrats, though. In fact, I farking HATE having to vote Democrat. I’ve hated it for the last 20 years. But I hate the Judge Dredd universe the Republicans want even more. Check out Project 2025. They’re not even trying to be subtle about what they want, anymore.