• shiveyarbles@beehaw.org
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    1 year ago

    This iteration of “AI” is hilarious, the people who were telling us not to steal IP are now trying to convince us it’s ok.

  • Square Singer@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    That’s kinda weird regarding copyright. With copyright, all usage permissions are opt-in. Any kind of usage that isn’t expressly allowed is prohibited.

    Except of fair use, which cannot be prohibited.

    So either AI training is fair use and thus cannot be prohibited, or it isn’t and then it’s already prohibited.

    Either way, expressly prohibiting it does nothing, legally speaking.

  • Beej Jorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org
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    1 year ago

    This is going to be interesting. Let’s say I buy an article then copy the entire thing and send it to my friend the AI enthusiast. I’ve certainly violated copyright law.

    But if my friend then goes on to run the article through an algorithm, it’s not at all clear to me that there’s been a copyright violation by them.

    Or, indeed, how you could word a law that prohibits algorithmic consumption of the data without making it impossible to ever simply view the data.

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        1 year ago

        I’ll simplify, then. Can I download an article that I’ve paid for and have permission to download, then have an algorithm operate on that data?

      • Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        I think you are oversimplifying this issue and ignoring the context and purpose of using their content. Original analysis of data is not illegal, and that’s all these models are, a collection of observations in relation to each other. As long as you can prove that your storage was noncommercial, and no more than necessary to achieve your fair use objectives, you can get by.

        Fair use protects reverse engineering, indexing for search engines, and other forms of analysis that create new knowledge about works or bodies of works. Moreover, Fair use is a flexible and context-specific doctrine, and you don’t have to prove in court that you comply with every single pillar of fair use. It depends on the situation and four things: why, what, how much, and how it affects the work. No one thing is more important than the others, and it is possible to have a fair use defense even if you do not meet all the criteria of fair use.

        You’re right about copyright forbidding much more than people think, but it also allows much more than people think. Fair use is also not a weak or unreliable defense, but a vital one that protects creativity, innovation, and freedom of expression. It’s not something that you have to prove in court, but something you assert as a right.

  • Dizzy Devil Ducky@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    A large problem with this kind of TOS change is what happens if we ever end up with sentient AI that can think on its’ own?

    How would you stop that sentient AI from scraping your site they are scraping it by going directly into your article, copying it word for word, and sending it to their own training algorithm without blocking access from everyone?

    Paywalls can be bypassed and AI has been found to be better at solving those puzzles meant to stop them, so there isn’t a good solution that I can think of that doesn’t endanger the whole internet.

    • roguetrick@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      Listen buddy, if we get artificial general intelligence the last thing we gotta worry about is it reading the paper.