silksong at least is a much better game then hollow knight from basically every technical aspect.

Pragmata is also short single player, and basically came and went in a weekend. Its a good game. Its not a game you think about a month after it releases.

Game looks fine, but every game nowadays looks fine. 90% of the time when i ask people who say that E33 looks like the best thing they have ever seen. What other games they have played, they univesally say games that are 10 years old. If not older. E33 doesn’t look like an 11/10 its just that peoples standards are shit / they are use to old games / they play low graphic games normally. Or a combo of all 3. Of course its going to look great when you compare it to a ten year old out of date game that wasnt cutting edge even when it was new.

Social engineering is hacking in fact, it’s literally the most prominent form of hacking in easily the most important form of hacking.

It’s also the most efficient and effective.

If you’re s*** talking social engineering, you’re a goddamn moron

To keep it brief most research on pedophilia, herbophilia, etc. Indicate that it is split into two categories. One is a sexual growth disorder that can be treated, with one of the most effective treatments actually being providing legal safe access to non-harmful materials. AKA drawings of fictional people.

The other category comes from personality disorders this form can’t be treated in any known way directly. You have to treat the personality disorder itself. And as such providing any source does nothing good or bad to help with the situation.

It’s a big reason why the whole concept of it’s a drawing and it should be considered the same as fundamentally flawed. You have one case where it does show that it helps in one case where it doesn’t matter.

Anything that is generated from real people does cause harm and should be illegal no matter what. Harming one person to help another is not a valid path.

But harming no one to help someone. Even if you feel icky about it is a valid path.

And study after study after study keeps proving over and over again. Just because you show someone something or exposed them to it. It doesn’t make them more likely to engage in something that they know is wrong.

Honestly, sometimes it’s nice to have a main character that is just a raging pile of s*** that you can hate. To a degree, it’s part of what makes it such a unique story.

There are just terrible f****** people in the world and sometimes those people are worth following the story of. There can only be so many stories about boy scouts before it gets stale.

So I wouldn’t say watching nothing but stories about awful. Terrible people is all that enjoyable. It is a nice palate cleanse every once in awhile, especially when it’s actually done with effort and not just they’re terrible for the sake of being terrible.

But jobless at least does try at being good. I don’t know if it only succeeds but it at least tries.

Hey, now you don’t AI all you want but give some credit to the data scientists who actually managed to make this work. It’s a f****** feat of human ingenuity that we figured out how to make this actually not s*** itself.

But you aren’t wrong. It is digital incest lol

That was a problem that’s been basically solved. So no, it’s not actually an issue anymore.

That’s why this is happening. You basically want to train a model that’s going to train the next model and that’s going to train the next model.

Doing a bunch of other fancy s*** means that each consecutive level improves the quality instead of reducing it.

So we’re at the point where it’s more effective to let your opponent do all the heavy, more expensive training of the less effective model. Then train the model that you want to make on that because paying them to run their finished model is cheaper than making it in the first place to train the next one.

In a sense, it’s sort of like compression. The harder you compress the longer and more expensive and more difficult it becomes. So ideally you want to be the last guy in the chain to do the final compression so you get a reap all of the rewards without any of the overhead.

No, they’re mostly useless except for all the things that they’re useful for.

The problem is more the whole overshoving by the tech Bros into literally everything. Instead of them just being a better personal assistant.

Cuz they are legitimately very good at being personal assistance. At least the high-end models are.

The cheap low-free models will get there eventually. Till then we just have to deal with the really s***** version of Gemini or whatever we have. Dear God, that thing sucks.

At the current rate, it’s like a 2-year lag time or something. So sometime around 2028 we’ll have actually functional models that can do day-to-day stuff without s******* the bed. At least to my standards anyways.

Strictly speaking it’s actually better. It sounds funny to be like haha. It’s eating itself. It’s incest or whatever.

But unfortunately that’s not how it works…

Unless they’re literally ignoring every other step of the training process. Then ideally you do want a model to train another model to train another model. So on and so forth.

It does mean that it’s technically cheaper to let your enemies do all the initial training and then pay them for the now processed data to then do even more efficient training on!

Weirdly enough. It’s capitalistic cooperation. Non-consensual mind you…

As a min maxer in a lot of games, I used to make spreadsheets in little tiny janky python programs do all sorts of crazy s*** to optimize stuff.

Would spend hours on it! A little local model has basically reduced my effort. 10. Fold and saved me hours upon hours of work.

Probably the single best thing is I can just yell at it to tell me what’s on the f****** to-do list and it will just tell me. And it helps my ADHD ass actually decide on what to start working on for the day and actually get something done instead of doing 20 things at once.

Fantastic little tool.

Now I have more time to play my games and I have something to yell at me so I don’t get distracted

You can just tell AI to provide feedback and not be a kiss ass… Hell most of the good models well"good" models do provide feedback by default. The whole AI is a kiss ass thing is almost entirely a byproduct of free cheap low-end models or outdated ones.

So this particular criticism hasn’t really been valid for a hot second anymore. Honestly, 99% of everything everyone thinks AI is in this entire thread is either flat out wrong at this point as things have already changed. Or they’re conflating the business problems with the actual tool.

Mean hell Claude will straight up. Tell you you’re dumb. You’ll do so professionally and in corpo speak and it’s awful. But it will tell you you’re dumb.

It will also totally throw shade at you while taking the blame for your f****** which is pretty funny.

Mean to be fair, most people who hate AI aren’t going to go spend a bunch of money to actually learn what good models do and how good models actually operate. They’re just going to look at the s*** on their phone that’s free. That sucks and go it all sucks.

Mean to be fair. Those models do suck. The company’s running them suck. Those companies did a bunch of illegal s*** and are ruining the environment and that sucks.

There’s a lot to hate about AI.

But the actual tool in and of itself isn’t actually that bad and it doesn’t need to be bad. The open models trained on data that’s actually freely given in license appropriately while not as good as those big giant multi-trillion dollar ones.

Aren’t ruining the environment, aren’t displacing people out of a job, aren’t full of stolen information, and can still genuinely be useful for small tasks.

A tool is a tool and it’s only as bad or good as we make it.

Hey, now that’s just the multi-trillion dollar companies trying to save a buck!

Some people have some level of ethics! Their product just unfortunately is the one that will give you a peanut butter and squash pizza when you ask for a Hawaiian…

Well the multi-trillion dollar company. When you ask for Hawaiian pizza it just gives you pepperoni and smacks you and tells you you violated its rules and ethics.

Out of curiosity, have you ever actually played around with an AI to generate pictures? Spin up a local model and give it a try. It’s a lot more involved than I think you realize.

It’s not hard by any means and you can let it just s*** out the first thing and take that and run with it.

But the actual process of generating something coherent and to your intent. Takes a good deal of skill, understanding how the model works, of the English language and how to construct it appropriately, as well as potentially hours upon hours of corrections, edits and manipulations.

You’re moving the mechanical skill of being an artist to a more literary skill of English.

I’ve noticed most people seem to have never actually attempted to use an ai beyond The really low end free offerings. And thus don’t actually realize how complex they can get in usage.

Again, to be clear, it’s not hard to generate just a random picture and take it and run. But it’s also not hard to draw a stick man.

To be fair, if we could get more nuclear power plants up and running that would be a good thing. If the AI bubble can push governments to actually get us going nuclear, and then the bubble pops. Those plants won’t just get shut down. They’re once they’re up and running. They’re too efficient and the money’s already sunk into them.

Good things can happen because of bad reasons. Let’s take our wins where we can get them

His analogy works perfectly fine and is actually incredibly apt. Photography did threaten a large number of painters livelihoods.

After the grand scale AI is. But that’s more a matter of how things are just on a grander scale as we have become more connected in more optimized as time has gone on.

Technological improvements tend to be larger than those that preceded them when it comes to replacement and displacement.

And if you’re going to put the bar of art as simply eliciting a human emotion reaction or feeling. Then by your own definition AI generated art is art.

It generates all sorts of emotions, reactions, feelings, Thoughts, Arguments, considerations and philosophizing all across the world.

Ai art has probably been one of the largest points in the last couple hundred years in which this many people have genuinely stopped and considered. What is art.

I’m not a big fan of AI art at all, but I’m also not a big fan of trying to discredit something just because you don’t emotionally agree with it. I would wholeheartedly agree that 99.99% of all AI art is low effort slop and absolute trash. But I wouldn’t discredit anyone who actually attempts to do something legitimate with it.

Functionally the entire argument against AI art being art is the same one against photography or modern art not being art.

In my 35 years of life I’ve never once heard anyone not say yeah. I made a pizza when they just heated one up in the oven.

The very act of heating it up in the oven is the cooking of the pizza. As far as I’ve been able to tell from everyone I’ve ever interacted with in my life.

Heating things up in the oven is generally speaking, considered cooking.

Even more egregious never heard anyone say anything other than I made x when all they did was put something in the microwave.

Hell if I’m just boiling some hot dogs and throwing them in the bun I’m going to say I made some hot dogs. I didn’t raise the pig slaughter them stuff the sausage. But I sure the f*** cooked them. I made those hot dogs.

If you drop a paint bucket you made high class modern art worth tens of millions. If you bullshit hard enough. But in all seriousness.

There is to a point a matter of art being entirely “valid” only to the eye of a beholder. Ai “art” is by all reasonable arguments art and made by who ever is piloting the bot. That is how it is. With out the willful intent of a human the bot is innert and can not create anything. So even the most slop or slop is still a willful human creation. A tool can not act on its own.

The problem is people saying it’s not real art or that the person piloting the bot isn’t an artist are doing so based on a personal belief. Not a hard fact. Which because of the nature of art is entirely valid. People have argued what isn’t and is real art for decades. People argued digital art was fake for a decade. People argued photography was fake art for decades. And the further back you go you can find endless examples.

Some of the “best” art work in history range from extremely hard and demand decades of skill and dedication. While others took a few mins and no real skill at all.

Intent, reason and personal subjectivity are the defining facets of what is or is not art. If someone lazily has an ai generate something and takes the first pass then that’s on them for making low effort art. No different then if I draw a stick man and call it a day.

Someone who uses a bit to draft, create and literate over and over and pushes a bot to its absolute limit. Is vastly different.

Sometimes the art is in the process and not the result as well. So even if the bot shits out something mediocre, the ability to get something that actually passes for acceptable instead of slop is in and of it self an art.

AI art to me personally is a problem of quantity letting everything because of ease of access to Creation. Never before. Has humanity had the ability to create faster or more efficiently. And people are taking advantage of that to simply not try to not push the tool and to not see what can be done with the tool.

And to be very clear this is entirely aside to the legal issues around how early models were trained as well as the copyright problems, which is an entirely separate issue to all of this. It’s related but it is very much its own problem and a solvable one. We just got to convince the multi-trillion dollar companies to stop being assholes…

No man he tried. That’s what Ubuntu does to a mother f*****

The best way to learn something new is to be upset by something old.

Worse case you learn something new! Best case you find a better option for yourself.