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Congrats, you figured it out.

It’s all good, it wasn’t this post in isolation. And sometimes disengaging from the fray and touching grass is the lesser evil :p

You don’t read your own comments?

Also, sorry for being short-tempered. I’m taking a break from modding this comm until after the midterms, since I find it very frustrating atm.

Yes but only if they are off topic, or belittling others for daring to criticize the dems, or falsely claiming anarchists don’t vote. Sure, I’m sure there’s a few who don’t and that’s their prerogative. Anyway I’ll leave you to it.

Yeah because I knew it would one of these posts after another until election day. I give up. I’m not moderating these.

Bullshit. The vast majority of anarchists do vote, because we aren’t idiots who need to be told to vote.

But the main reason for this move isn’t concerns about privacy or spying. That’s only the cover story. It’s to make sure taxpayer money keeps flowing to US companies like Anthropic, Musk, and OpenAI which are only marginally better in most tests than Chinese models and are many times the cost in some cases. Propping up the bubble a bit longer so that more taxpayer money can be stolen is the number one priority. Do you honestly think Trump gives a damn about the security of the US?

It needs some pushback imo.

It is not, and has never been about Gaza - that’s just a convenient excuse.

And how the hell did you conclude that? You are doing exactly the nonsense I described above.

And now this is the fourth attack against a leftist comm on LW in the past ten days. Are the Democrats ok, or have they gone full McCarthyist on us? If you are living in the US and think attacking the political left should be your priority right now, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

• https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/77038779
• https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76743866
• https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76643735
• https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/77150767

I have some questions for you. Why do you keep getting surprised when leftists continually reject your take on electoralism being absolutely critical?

The Democrats were just as bad on Gaza and Israel in general as the Republicans. And nothing has changed in that respect, except the token number of anti-zionists in the Democrats seem to be making some small gains (which is great btw, but not sufficient to move the needle on policy). But why should we not talk about that? Should we simply not mention it in case it puts someone off from voting for them, or are you arguing that it’s simply not true that the democrats were and are really weak on their policy towards Israel, and that it is a massive electoral liability for them? Because I don’t know a single leftist who believes the Dems would have reigned in Israel.

And in fact, leftists would like nothing more than for the Democrats to actually start standing up to genocide and make meaningful changes to US foreign policy. But what you seem to be mostly concerned about here is that domestic Americans don’t have to suffer unnecessarily by the actions of their own government, while their government is busy waging/funding/profiting from overseas wars. That is the only harm reduction we are talking about here, in reality. And if history teaches us anything it is that the US will continue being a warmongering rogue state long after Trump is dead and buried, no matter which party is in power.

What might be harder for you to understand though is that for most of the Global South, there is little sympathy for the plight of domestic Americans. They have their own problems, many of which were caused by the US. So my question to you is, why should someone in Iran or Venezuela or Cuba or Palestine, or any number of countries that for very good reasons hold a dim view of the US, why would they care about the suffering of the US people? Do you understand why, for them, your suffering feels more like schadenfreude? Put yourself in their shoes for a moment.

And I have some more questions for you:

• Lemmy isn’t America. Why should the whole of lemmy have to put up with Americans going crazy with conspiracy theories every election?
• Do you understand that most leftists already vote, for whatever it’s worth? Suggesting we don’t vote, or that we vote for Trump is both insulting and inaccurate. It’s a bad-faith and misleading assumption.
• Do you understand that we don’t need or want you to lecture us about the US political system? It just comes across as hugely condescending. Most leftists likely know a lot more about it than you do, because they actually read theory.
• Do you understand that many socialists believe that only revolution against the bourgeois can bring about substantive changes? So pushing electoralism down our throats is completely pointless. You are essentially arguing against a fundamental principle of revolutionary socialism. And while many of us still vote (because why not?), we don’t believe it’ll achieve much good in the long run (for reference, see the past 10 years). So banging on about how important it is to vote for the Democrats in a socialist community is never going to end well. It’s a fundamental difference of political ideology there is really no point in arguing about ad-infinitum.
• Do you understand that every election season, folks like you brigade leftist comms for weeks before a US election to claim socialists are all bots and/or russian or chinese agents working for Trump? And then performatively declaring that whole instances and communities are foreign agents who want Trump to win. That’s literally the last 4 posts in a row in YPTB. Claiming socialists are fascists or accelerationists, or trump supporters simply because they disagree with you on one point or another is bad-jacketing, and its a worrying form of modern day MacCarthyism. You simply shouldn’t do it - it’s nothing more than name calling, unless you have some serious evidence to offer. Do you understand why when you make unsupported accusations about community members in bad faith, you are not going to be welcomed back to that community?

My take is that these “red-peril” brainworms are just a distraction from the real enemy, which is the inevitable growth of fascism under neoliberal capitalism. And no, simply name-calling someone a “fascist” for pointing out establishment Democrats mostly do support Israeli genocide doesn’t cut it. If you don’t use the term with any real meaning, or conflate it with revolutionary socialism via “horseshoe theory” then I’m sorry, but it’s clear you are simply trolling with right-wing tropes.

Lol hello this is exactly the type of thing I was warning about recently.

The “Great” figures of history weren’t great in a colloquial sense. They were considered “great” because they had a large impact on the world, not because they were well loved. So describing Trump as an accidental great man of history is not a compliment, it’s merely descriptive of the huge global impact he is having destroying US hegemony.

And if you don’t know anything about politics what are you even doing here? I mean it’s cute you are claiming to just be getting people to “get out and vote” but if they haven’t made their mind up about that by now, why do you imagine your mewling here will make the slightest difference? The Democrats didn’t lose last time because of leftists, they lost because they put up a terrible candidate, running on unpopular policies, who was deeply unpopular even within their own voting base. They couldn’t even win over their own traditional demographics, and they were running against one of the most terrible candidates in US history.

You are wasting your breath here. Leftists don’t need to be educated or encouraged about how to vote, or about the importance or otherwise of voting. We understand this stuff better than you do and we already vote for our preferred candidates. Also not everyone is American. You and your fucked-up country are not the sole focus of my attention on Lemmy and you don’t get to badjacket leftists in our own communities just because its election season.

Why don’t you stop spraying mouth foam, and instead think about what you intended to do here and what it has actually achieved. Who did you convince? Nobody. What did you change? Nothing. You are just doing the same sort of bullshit liberal performativity that makes the rest of us think you are a deeply unserious person.

Like seriously, if you have a problem with fascism in the US, why the fuck are you attacking the left? Just fuck off and focus on something real.

Quit while you are behind.

No, it’s not obvious, at all. It’s just a wild, unsupported, bad faith accusation. None of the examples you provided do anything but make you look clueless about the whole topic. Minimizing the genocide in the way you are doing as though it’s just a niche side issue after you deal with Trump, is exactly the sort of thing that gets principled people offside.

Are tankies allowed to post their opinions in MoG? I think you are making bad faith assumptions based on vibes. Do you have clear evidence of your claims? It seems unlikely to me that geneva_convenience doesn’t care about the palestinian people, and it seems unfair to make that claim without substantiating it. You can dislike and criticise their opinions without jumping to wild accusations.

No, what happens is that folks like you get whipped up every election cycle into a lynching fervor, because you are desperate for Trump to lose and you have a lot of strong feelings. But instead of employing that energy usefully towards fighting folks who genuinely do wish you harm (i.e. the republicans) you are directing it at leftists and chasing shadows and foreign agents. Why is that? Just please do something more useful and positive with your time.

Please don’t bad-jacket me. Whatever you mistakenly believe I’m “promoting”, you are patently wrong. I’m not asking anyone to do anything other than support anti-zionist candidates wherever they can. All I ask of others is they stop harassing me for having my own, perfectly reasonable, opinion.