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  • Laurel Raven@lemmy.ziptoLinux@lemmy.mlThe Dislike to Ubuntu
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    1 month ago

    Honestly, I feel the exact opposite when a for profit company does that, because inevitably they ask themselves the question “how can I squeeze every last dollar out of this possible?”, which is never, ever, good for the product.

    Capitalist hyperfocus on short term quarter-over-quarter gains is toxic and destroys pretty much everything it touches, if not entirely then at least in quality. While I appreciate the amount of development those companies bring to the table, the moment they’re in control of the project they’ll try to find ways to profit from it at the expense of the community, and it almost always results in a poorer product.

    Debian vs Mint for server, I’d agree with you, but for desktop, Mint is trying to do something Debian never really set their sights on: making it easy to use, particularly for people switching from Windows. Hell, they even have a version directly based on Debian instead of Ubuntu just in case something happens to make it so they can’t run downstream of Ubuntu with a reasonable amount of work.

    I think a better model for FLOSS in general is community owned and operated foundations that get backing from companies that benefit from those projects, but which do not let those companies gain sole or majority control.

    *Just to stress, everything here is just my opinions and I don’t pretend to have all the answers, just observations of the world and the impact for profit companies have had on it… For that, I pretty much never trust a for profit company to act in good faith for the benefit of anyone outside of themselves. They may do so for a time, but eventually most of them will become too focused on profit to behave as good citizens.


  • Laurel Raven@lemmy.ziptoLinux@lemmy.mlThe Dislike to Ubuntu
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    1 month ago

    Not sure why you’d think it would go away next year since it’s been around for 18 years and adoption seems to be going up rather than down, and a lot of people have switched to recommending it for new converts rather than Ubuntu

    I don’t think that many normies have heard of Mint, but I don’t think that many have heard of Ubuntu either.

    Fragmentation is a concern but it’s an unavoidable side effect of an open community with many people and opinions


  • Laurel Raven@lemmy.ziptoLinux@lemmy.mlThe Dislike to Ubuntu
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    1 month ago

    For server, there’s Debian. I really don’t see any reason to use something else, unless you need RedHat comparability, then you’ve got Alma and Rocky.

    Or OpenSuSE, if you really like that.

    Ubuntu for server, though? Yeah, that’s a no for me. For the reasons I listed above if nothing else, especially their shitty attitude when they were asked to remove that unnecessary package that calls home and does nothing for non subscribers from the minimal image.

    But in any event, if you looked at the context, I was not talking about server use anyway.





  • Laurel Raven@lemmy.ziptoLinux@lemmy.mlThe Dislike to Ubuntu
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    1 month ago

    Ubuntu really isn’t the only candidate though… Mint may not have quite as much name recognition, but I don’t think it’s that far off, and it has pretty much all of the benefits of Ubuntu without the issues.

    Mint just works.

    And I absolutely think it’s justified to call Canonical out for things like quietly redirecting apt to install snaps instead or throwing up scare messages to make people think they’re insecure if they don’t pay for a subscription or adding unnecessary packages to the minimal install image that’re only useful for paid subscribers but call home regardless

    Canonical has been toxic and getting worse, not calling them out is basically telling them it’s okay for them to treat the community the way they have.