• CreativeShotgun@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    What’s happening over there sucks, it is just fucking awful and noone seems to want tondo anything about. People here arguing that democrats are bad because of this, people trying to call other people hypocrits, arguing that every argument is a fallacy.

    The point at the end of the day is genocide is awful, and shame on those supporting it. I’ll take these democrats to task come election time when there’s a better democrat or successful new progressive liberal to take their place. That’s what we do instead of blindly following a party, but this change is gradually and the only way it happens is if trump loses.

    The best shot we have is a mixed bag of democrats and there’s no shame in working with what we have. To abstain from voting while waiting for perfection now instead of voting to begin the changes for the future is shortsighted and foolish.

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      27 days ago

      Calling people bad because they’re complicit in Genocide is not a fallacy. It’s the definition of evil. Stop trying to pretend it’s a minor thing.

      • Unruffled [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        26 days ago

        Crocodile tears indeed. It’s interesting that you seem to care so much about the genocide in Gaza, but can’t quite bring yourself to express the slightest concern about the illegal and vicious Russian invasion of Ukraine. Are innocent Palestinians worth caring about, but not innocent Ukrainians? According to your post history, you are in fact generally supportive of Putin’s actions in Ukraine. If you only oppose genocidal acts in which the US supplies weapons, but handwave away a literal direct invasion by Russia, then you’re just engaged in partisan propaganda. I don’t think you can be taken seriously as someone who is anti-genocide if you think that it all depends on who is committing the genocide, and/or who is the target.

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            26 days ago

            Where’s the lie? I agree there is some whataboutism, but in this case the hypocrisy of your position is so striking that it needs to be pointed out.

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              25 days ago

              The comment you linked said they support the Netanyahu and thus Genocide in Gaza I’m not sure what you’re even talking about.

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                25 days ago

                The comment I linked to lists a bunch of your problematic comments about Putin and Ukraine, so I didn’t have to repeat them here. But if you insist, here they are again:

                • Israel has already killed more civilians in 45 days than Putin during his entirely Ukraine war.
                • The west is commiting actual genocide right now. Don’t mis use the word for Putin.
                • Ukraine is doing plenty of terrorism against their occupier. Your double standards are showing.
                • Reminder that israel had already killed more civilians than Putin did since the start of the Ukraine war. Biden is literally worse than Putin.
                • You fuck off genocide apologist. When it came to Ukraine you were all calling for the Russians to assasinate Putin.
                • Now that it’s about non white people you’re literally saying you’re gonna vote for the genocide guy. Fucking racist hypocrites.
                • The war crimes Russia committed in Bucha pale in comparison to the complete genocide israel is committing right now.
                • America is already talking about dropping support for Ukraine.
                • Ukraine was just a proxy to exhaust Russian resources with.
                • Now that the entire country is in ruin America is going to pull support and leave them for dead like they’ve done with all their other proxies.
                • Even the Russians had far greater precision than this when attacking Ukraine.
                • You’re in for a treat when you start reading about the Azov brigade. They’ve got literal Nazi’s.
                • It’s so sad that all you have is whataboutism isn’t it? And the worst part is that Genocide Joe isn’t even the lesser of evils anymore. He is now the worse evil.
                • Genocide Joe is the person able to stop this. Instead he removes all war crime restrictions on the weapons and protects israel with all his power. He is actively committing mass genocide.
                • A reminder that Genocide Joe has killed more than twice as many civilians than Putin in Ukraine already.
                • Not to mention the amount of children murdered by this barbaric Zio Nazi
                • Not to forget Ukraine is slowly getting ditched too so the “world powers” are losing that one as well.
                • Israel is like 10000% more genocidal than Russia.
                • But anyone not supporting Ukraine with weapons against Russia obviously has to go because that’s very “unfreedom” of them.
                • The Kurds welcome Ukraine in joining the long list of groups abandoned and left in ruins by the US after being promised support to fight their enemy as long as needed.
                • Biden needs to focus on committing Genocide now. He has no time for Ukrainians beating an invasion. Surely Zeloonsky understands, he unconditionally supports israel’s genocide himself.

                Nobody is denying Israel’s genocide, or the war criminal Netanyahu’s culpability. What I am questioning is why you are only concerned about the genocide in Gaza, but when it comes to Russian war crimes, you are happy to make excuses for them. That’s what I find disingenuous. All the excuses you make for Putin are the exact same sort of excuses people use to support Israel’s genocidal actions. It’s a double standard, and it demonstrates that your concern trolling on this topic is motivated more by anti-Western political propaganda than it is about genuine concern over war crimes.