Only 27 percent of voters who plan to vote for Biden in the 2024 election say they genuinely like him as a candidate.
    • jj4211@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      I think as candidates Clinton, W. Bush, Gore, Obama, McCain had sincere support overshadowing the need to stop some particular bad person instead. As misguided as I think it is, Trump voters also are all about Trump less than stopping Biden. I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.

      Yes, third party candidates are dismissed in a self fulfilling prophecy, but also that reality drives most reasonable would-be third party candidates to one of the viable parties, generally leaving third party candidates that wouldn’t be that popular anyway.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.

        The Kerry '04 campaign might as well have been “Anyone But Bush”, and it went down in flames as a result. Every time Kerry was pressed on any kind of progressive-ish sounding issue, he ran to the right for fear of spooking the moderate centrist voter. Every time Bush was pressed on his conservative bona fides, he just pointed to 9/11 and said “I kept us safe” and the news media ate that shit up.

        In the end, you had the Strong MAGA Security candidate in Bush and the flaky swish liberal candidate in Kerry. Kerry lost by 3M votes and 35 ECs, dwarfing the Bush/Gore defeat. Then he slunk back to the Senate and triangulated votes with John McCain for the next eight years.

  • Rakonat@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Only reason he won the primary in 2020. Idealists don’t do well against fascists but moderates are inoffensive enough to

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      It’s a dangerous game, as Biden’s not bringing anything to the table on his own. Hillary lost in 2016 with a 10-pt plunge in support, because of the Comey October Surprise. Biden could easily suffer the same fate, if his lackluster supporters get spooked a few weeks before the general election.