Hawaii is a victim of colonialism to this day. The sovereignty of hawaii was illegally stolen. Every day natives of hawaii are priced out of their own homes by their alleged fellow citizens. A genocide beneath the very fingers that so like to point towards other nations.
The US is still bitter that Hawaii was more advanced than the United States of Backwards way back when.
Would Hawaii live in peace and prosperity if it were suddenly its own independent state?
They did before they were conquered. Why is that so hard to imagine now?
Hawaii was annexed in 1898. So, why dredge up anger at the conquest over 100 years later?
First of all, that’s not at all a reasonable reply to my comment. Second, how the hell do you have the gall to openly post this fascist garbage for all the world to see?
Probably not with the US around. It’s never let any other country live in quiet peace and prosperity. It’s always worth being optimistic, though.
We don’t even let our own people live in quiet peace and prosperity. 😩
One day!
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Can I ask you something? And this is me being genuine here, because I’m clearly out of the loop, but what is it about communism that you think is really great? Just forget about the capitalist propaganda comments, I want your genuine opinion, why is it great and what drew you to it?
Can I ask you something?
No
And this is me being genuine here, because I’m clearly out of the loop, but what is it about communism that you think is really great? Just forget about the capitalist propaganda comments, I want your genuine opinion, why is it great and what drew you to it?
The anti-communism in your comment history is clear. I can see that you are J.A.Q.ing off with no interest in engaging honestly.
Is there a reason that you’re intent on derailing this thread for a question you’re clearly not interested in the answer to?
Why do you think millions of the most oppressed turn to communism?
Why do you think the most rich bourgeois and the most vile Nazis revile communism?
Have you looked to your right and left, and seen who swells your ranks?
I have. I’m content with the side I’ve chosen. Are you?
You can choose not to answer and I respect that, I’ve seen you guys post around here a lot. While I have in the past tried to avoid those conversations, I’ve simply never given any of you a chance to speak your mind. Do I believe there are people on lemmy that just want to troll? Absolutely! There’s people like that everywhere, I’m simply trying to understand your perspective because I’ve never engaged in the subject, now I’m intrigued. I’ve gotten to a point where I just have to know what drives you and why. Answer if you want or ignore me, I won’t harass you about it. I’m just trying to give you a chance to speak and explain so I can better understand. There’s no trickery here, I promise.
You can choose not to answer and I respect that, I’ve seen you guys post around here a lot. While I have in the past tried to avoid those conversations, I’ve simply never given any of you a chance to speak your mind. Do I believe there are people on lemmy that just want to troll? Absolutely! There’s people like that everywhere, I’m simply trying to understand your perspective because I’ve never engaged in the subject, now I’m intrigued. I’ve gotten to a point where I just have to know what drives you and why. Answer if you want or ignore me, I won’t harass you about it. I’m just trying to give you a chance to speak and explain so I can better understand. There’s no trickery here, I promise.
Ah, silly me. I’ll choose to believe you’re interacting genuinely. I will, of course, come to regret this.
My answer is rooted in several reasons:
- The inability of liberalism to put in effect the progress that liberals talk about (based in COVID deaths, hate crimes, and continuing rampant inequality).
- The hysterical fear that liberal democracies use in blocking information on Communism (if “Mao is as bad as Hitler” why do public libraries always stock books by Hitler and never by Mao?)
- The ease of explaining the present deplorable state of the world with the banal evil of the profit motive.
- The blatant lies put forward by capitalism - not only are Mao and Stalin not monsters, they both write with a clear and academic voice. You can easily find works written by both, and they do not match the stories told in the U$.
And the emotional pull of the millions who pulled themselves from slavery and oppression through Communism:
Ballads of Lenin
Comrade Lenin of Russia,
High in a marble tomb,
Move over, Comrade Lenin,
And give me room.I am Ivan, the peasant,
Boots all muddy with soil.
I fought with you, Comrade Lenin.
Now I have finished my toil.Comrade Lenin of Russia,
Alive in a marble tomb,
Move over, Comrade Lenin,
And make me room.I am Chico, the Negro,
Cutting cane in the sun.
I lived for you, Comrade Lenin.
Now my work is done.Comrade Lenin of Russia,
Honored in a marble tomb,
Move over, Comrade Lenin,
And leave me room.I am Chang from the foundries
On strike in the streets of Shanghai.
For the sake of the Revolution
I fight, I starve, I die.Comrade Lenin of Russia
Speaks from the marble tomb:
On guard with the workers forever —
The world is our room!
It would be up to the people who live there to figure out how to run things. This is certainly not an argument for US to continue occupying them.
True, just clarifying the best case scenario. Did the Hawaiian people recently vote to leave the union that I am unaware of?
When did they vote to join? They fought pretty hard to keep their rightfully elected government.
Judging by their history, probably not. Just like people’s everywhere, Hawaiians have a very violent history full of warfare!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nuʻuanu
“Caught between the Hawaiian Army and a 1000-foot drop, over 700 Oʻahu warriors either jumped or were pushed over the edge of the Pali (cliff). In 1898 construction workers working on the Pali road discovered 800 skulls which were believed to be the remains of the warriors that fell to their deaths from the cliff above.”
