If you remember Steve Ballmer as CEO of Microsoft, you probably remember him as a buffoon with his foot more often in his mouth than in his shoe, a disgusting ultra-billionaire and a general dirtbag.

So I was properly surprised to watch his interview with Jon Stewart: he’s created a website called USA Facts that actually seems to provide a genuine, much needed public service to this country, and against all expectations, the man really has interesting things to say for a change.

Although, Ballmer being Ballmer, he also managed to make a really cringy Twin Towers comparison on 9/11. Because Ballmer… You can’t polish a turd.

Still, I encourage you to watch this interview: it’s surprisingly interesting and a lot more profound than whatever you might think of Ballmer might have you expect. Unlike Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer might actually turn out to be somebody worthy of respect later in life after all.