• Azzu@lemm.ee
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    22 hours ago

    “me reducing my carbon emissions won’t change anything” said ten million people.

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        10 hours ago

        But who else is to blame? Seriously…

        Where do you think these 57 companies get their money from to continue doing their shit? By individuals buying their shit.

        What do you think these 57 companies consist of? They employ hundreds of thousands of individuals. Each of which could theoretically decide not to continue with that.

        Of course I realize it’s not that easy, individual situations may be complex, and that there’s different amounts of blame to go around. You’re correct, these companies have concentrated blame to them and it’d be more impactful to regulate them specifically.

        But my statement is simply also true. Multiple things can be true at the same time. Multiple courses of action can be reasonable.

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          9 hours ago

          People need to stop buying animal products and demand our politicians invest in renewables and public transit.

          Too many people have protested against bike lanes and apartment buildings when those are much better for the environment. So yeah let’s not the individuals off the hook completely.

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            8 hours ago

            There is no “hook” though. We shouldn’t be fighting against each other.

            Every person has a different level of personal sacrifice for the greater good that they are ok with. It is completely fine to be selfish. If that means that we’re fucked as a species, then that’s what that means.

            If we militantly blame people for still eating animal products for example, it’ll just create hostilities that are further entrenching the sides. Instead we need to push to compromises, everywhere. Make animal products more expensive, using the tax or whatever to offset their carbon impact. People that still want to buy it can buy it. Or say it’d be best to not eat animal products, but if that’s too hard, how about just a little less, however much is acceptable.

            It’s not optimal, absolutely true, but it has a much higher chance of working.

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              6 hours ago

              It is completely fine to be selfish.

              It’s completely legal usually…

              Absconding from moral duties, completely fine?

              Suppose “fine“ has to be clarified

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                19 minutes ago

                Can you honestly say that you sacrifice everything for the environment? Have as little/positive carbon footprint as in any way possible?

                I’m saying that eventually stopping to sacrifice personal benefits for the common good is fine. I.e. being selfish.

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                  12 minutes ago

                  Oh I’m a failure there, which doesn’t mean I should be shot, but it’s not completely fine I’m failing to protect the single inhabitable rock I want young family to be able to thrive on

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          10 hours ago

          Multiple things can be true at the same time. Multiple courses of action can be reasonable.

          Of course. And your original statement was only placing blame on individuals, which is the type of attitude that helps these companies get away with the all the environmental damage they cause. 80% of the cause should also be 80% of the focus.

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              2 hours ago

              Right, so the focus should be on the big 6 and how they finance the fossil fuel industry to raise awareness and encourage people to switch.

              Putting the blame on the individual (you need to reduce your carbon footprint) and expecting them to research every business and product they interact with on a regular basis means

              1. the research won’t happen because nobody has that kind of time, and
              2. if they do try to do research on their own who knows if they’ll actually research their bank.
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            10 hours ago

            No, it was not only placing blame on individuals. That is your interpretation of it.