Tech experts are starting to doubt that ChatGPT and A.I. ‘hallucinations’ will ever go away: ‘This isn’t fixable’::Experts are starting to doubt it, and even OpenAI CEO Sam Altman is a bit stumped.

  • Zeth0s@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Hallucinations is common for humans as well. It’s just people who believe they know stuff they really don’t know.

    We have alternative safeguards in place. It’s true however that current llm generation has its limitations

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      Not just common. If you look at kids, hallucinations come first in their development.

      Later, they learn to filter what is real and what is not real. And as adults, we have weird thoughts that we suppress so quickly that we hardly remember them.

      And for those with less developed filters, they have more difficulty to distinguish fact from fiction.

      Generative AI is good at generating. What needs to be improved is the filtering aspect of AI.

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        Hell, just look at various public personalities - especially those with extreme views. Most of what some of them say they have “hallucinated”. Far more so than what GPT chat is doing.

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      Sure, but these things exists as fancy story tellers. They understand language patterns well enough to write convincing language, but they don’t understand what they’re saying at all.

      The metaphorical human equivalent would be having someone write a song in a foreign language they barely understand. You can get something that sure sounds convincing, sounds good even, but to someone who actually speaks Spanish it’s nonsense.

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        Calculators don’t understand maths, but they are good at it.

        LLMs speak many languages correctly, they don’t know the referents, they don’t understand concepts, but they know how to correctly associate them.

        What they write can be wrong sometimes, but it absolutely makes sense most of the time.

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          but it absolutely makes sense most of the time

          I’d contest that, that shouldn’t be taken for granted. I’ve tried several questions in these things, and rarely do I find an answer entirely satisfactory (though it normally sounds convincing/is grammatically correct).

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            This is the reply to your message by our common friend:

            I understand your perspective and appreciate the feedback. My primary goal is to provide accurate and grammatically correct information. I’m constantly evolving, and your input helps in improving the quality of responses. Thank you for sharing your experience. - GPT-4

            I’d say it does make sense

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        GPT can write and edit code that works. It simply can’t be true that it’s solely doing language patterns with no semantic understanding.

        To fix your analogy: the Spanish speaker will happily sing along. They may notice the occasional odd turn of phrase, but the song as a whole is perfectly understandable.

        Edit: GPT can literally write songs that make sense. Even in Spanish. A metaphor aiming to elucidate a deficiency probably shouldn’t use an example that the system is actually quite proficient at.

        • Dark Arc@lemmy.world
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          Sure it can, “print hello world in C++”

          #include 
          
          int main() {
            std::cout << "hello world\n";
            return 0;
          }
          

          “print d ft just rd go t in C++”

          #include 
          
          int main() {
            std::cout << "d ft just rd go t\n";
            return 0;
          }
          

          The latter is a “novel program” it’s never seen before, but it’s possible because it’s seen a pattern of “print X” and the X goes over here. That doesn’t mean it understands what it just did, it’s just got millions (?) of patterns it’s been trained on.

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      Humans can recognize and account for their own hallucinations. LLMs can’t and never will.

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        They can’t… Most people strongly believe they know many things while they have no idea what they are talking about. Most known cases are flat earthers, qanon, no-vax.

        But all of us are absolutely convinced we know something until we found out we don’t.

        That’s why double blind tests exists, why memories are not always trusted in trials, why Twitter is such an awful place