• OwenEverbinde@lemmy.myserv.one
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          Depends on how you define capitalism.

          According to the modern (very intentionally altered) definition of capitalism,

          “a system allowing the exchange of goods and services for currency, where different skill sets can result in different compensation”

          … everything, including the USSR [1][2] has been capitalism. And even most Marxists are pro-capitalists.

          The definition above encompasses everything that ever was, and everything that ever will be. (And that’s only a slight exaggeration)

          Which – just fyi – makes the word one of the most useless words in the history of language.

          If, however – just hypothetically – you wanted to have a productive dialogue with a self-described anti-capitalist, you would need to carry out the entire conversation pretending the word “capitalism” referred to something a hell of a lot more specific. A single mechanism within market society. A single kind of contractual relationship between worker and company.

          Which is an exercise in imagination and in the algebraic concept of substitution that most people have a rather stubborn aversion to.

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          A hybrid system Whereby capitalism in a regulated form can go on pretty much as usual, but government run companies provide affordable alternatives for basic necessities (food, water, housing, communication, mass transit etc). The government run companies hire anyone who wants a job. Unemployment is reduced, cost of living is reduced, and no ones freedom is stepped on.

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              1 year ago

              People only overthrow the government when they get really desperate. Your mistake is comparing communist Russia to capitalist USA. If you compare communist Russia to either tzarist Russia or the cluster fuck Russia is today then yes communism was imesurably better. Unless you were a learned fella.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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              1 year ago

              Having actually grown up in USSR and lived under communism, I can definitively say that it’s not. I love how a bunch of idiots who are suffering under capitalism got convinced that nothing better is possible and to reject obvious alternatives that would immediately improve their lives.

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        idk - only 63% of Americans support single-payer healthcare, nearly half of Americans still haven’t caught on at least

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          1 year ago

          “only”

          That’s a clear majority. If we had a referendum about it we’d get it (but the US doesn’t have federal referendums.)