Saying “we havent tried” and suggesting 3rd party candidates is intentionally being obstinate and uncooperative.
We need an Australian voting system. Required voting and ranked choice. That should be what you’re arguing for. Not whining that the world doesnt work how you want it.
Liberal lesser evil gave us trump. Everytime you accept a small evil it allows a slightly larger evil next time. Compounded over decades and we get trump
Maybe you should argue for a different method of voting instead, then. Liberal lesser evil didnt give us the orange diaper dumpster, the two party system based on money and gerrymandering is what did it.
Compulsory voting + Ranked choice. Are you for something like that, or are you against it? It would be a great thing to continue promoting, and its much less hateful and directly confrontational.
Id love to debate but it would just be about logical fallacies that arent really related to your intent, as your intent is expressed well.
Maybe you should argue for a different method of voting instead, then.
Any new method of voting has to be put in place by people we elect. We won’t meet the prerequisites without non-evil candidates, and it’s clear that you don’t want anyone to say anything less than worshipful about the ones we have.
I dont like any of the ones we have elected, at least not for a long time. “Both sides”-ism is what lead us to fascism, though. Worship? Thats a weird deflection and assumption. “One group isnt shooting at us, they suck at their job, we only get a little healthcare and rights under them” vs “lets take over the capital and kill everyone” is a pretty easy choice, if you dont have the memory of a goldfish.
As for new methods of voting and who would put them in place, the voting rights act was effectively removed. Itll be a very different group of people you have no desire to vote for. If you wont vote against a fascist, you must be one. Otherwise you wouldnt sit at their table.
Blaming people who noticed and did… what exactly? I consider democrats to be what republicans probably should be. I also think we have gotten repeatedly screwed. Ford v Dodge, Cit U, “trickledown ec.”, etc, those are extremely obvious indicators of Rulers vs Peasants being the goal over and over. Both sides are supported by different evils, both are still evil. Both want some form of a surveillance state. Both want to reduce the power of the voter. Senators exist still. Thats a giant middle finger to people who arent born with a silver spoon already in their intestinal tract.
Ahh you’re one of the reasons why more genocides are happening, now, caused by someone we definitely cant get to stop through protest. Remember, you voted for this.
Great foresight.
As for “not evil”, I want to know who has been “not evil” by your definition.
I didnt say “love genocide”, now thats you assuming I want it, or to elicit something from me. Very strange attempt to blame-shift. We could have protested and made Harris change her position. She wasnt vocally for or against the horrific and ongoing genocide due to who funded her campaign. AIPAC is evil. Netanyahu is very easily described as evil. That isnt up for discussion.
The reason it leads people to assume you didnt at least try to uphold democracy is how disgusted you seem to be about basic reality.
I didnt say “love genocide”, now thats you assuming I want it, or to elicit something from me.
Oh, you don’t? Then you don’t need to defend people who sell weapons for it any longer.
We could have protested and made Harris change her position.
People did protest. Centrists dismissed them as trumpers for suggesting voting uncommitted in the non-primaries. Just like centrists call anyone who continues to object to the party’s genocide support a trumper. Often while saying that all the criticism of the party’s genocide support evaporated after the election.
She wasnt vocally for or against the horrific and ongoing genocide due to who funded her campaign.
She said she wouldn’t differ from biden on genocide. That’s unequivocally in favor of genocide.
AIPAC is evil. Netanyahu is very easily described as evil. That isnt up for discussion.
And too few voters were willing to accept that, so harris lost.
The reason it leads people to assume you didnt at least try to uphold democracy is how disgusted you seem to be about basic reality.
The basic reality is that the party betrayed its voters for netanyahu. That is disgusting. At least it disgusts me. You don’t seem to mind.
Another random and unjustified poke/whatever. You should realize at this point that Im in favour of being able to reason with people instead of the other option of a person who literally attempted to overthrow the government. We were intentionally given a very bad pick between 2, but it was frozen airline food chicken vs shattered glass and nails. At least you eat the chicken and change it to make it less awful. Stomaching ≠ supporting, which you have indicated already with your statement of having voted for Harris.
At least you eat the chicken and change it to make it less awful. Stomaching ≠ supporting, which you have indicated already with your statement of having voted for Harris.
That argument was enough for me, but not sufficient to win. It will not be sufficient to win going forward. I don’t want this to happen again. I don’t want to be strongarmed into voting for a reprehensible piece of genocidal shit only to have the genocide cult blame me anyway.
I don’t want this to happen again. I don’t want to be strongarmed into voting for a reprehensible piece of genocidal shit only to have the genocide cult blame me anyway.
I think you just assume more people are pro-genocide than there are. Its just about combativeness, a good position is undermined when its put out negatively. You have good positions (imo) other than thinking a ton of people are pro-genocide/indifferent(and thus pro-genocide) and … maybe that their minds arent able to be changed? Or something, its very negative nonetheless. Thats part of protesting. Changing minds. And informing. A lot of people pay zero attention to politics.
“Schumer has been around forever so he must care” … and then mysteriously a democrat (totally not a scapegoat) will vote with the republicans for some new evil shit.
We were forced into the 2 party system even further than just republicans and democrats, which was already a 2 way divide (ignoring eeeeevvveryone else) to support Netanyahu or support Netanyahu and multiple other dictators, along with re-electing our own Goodly Bestest Dictator.
Well we tried that and now we have satan in office.
No, we haven’t tried. That’s the problem.
Saying “we havent tried” and suggesting 3rd party candidates is intentionally being obstinate and uncooperative.
We need an Australian voting system. Required voting and ranked choice. That should be what you’re arguing for. Not whining that the world doesnt work how you want it.
Liberal lesser evil gave us trump. Everytime you accept a small evil it allows a slightly larger evil next time. Compounded over decades and we get trump
Maybe you should argue for a different method of voting instead, then. Liberal lesser evil didnt give us the orange diaper dumpster, the two party system based on money and gerrymandering is what did it.
Compulsory voting + Ranked choice. Are you for something like that, or are you against it? It would be a great thing to continue promoting, and its much less hateful and directly confrontational.
Id love to debate but it would just be about logical fallacies that arent really related to your intent, as your intent is expressed well.
Any new method of voting has to be put in place by people we elect. We won’t meet the prerequisites without non-evil candidates, and it’s clear that you don’t want anyone to say anything less than worshipful about the ones we have.
I dont like any of the ones we have elected, at least not for a long time. “Both sides”-ism is what lead us to fascism, though. Worship? Thats a weird deflection and assumption. “One group isnt shooting at us, they suck at their job, we only get a little healthcare and rights under them” vs “lets take over the capital and kill everyone” is a pretty easy choice, if you dont have the memory of a goldfish.
As for new methods of voting and who would put them in place, the voting rights act was effectively removed. Itll be a very different group of people you have no desire to vote for. If you wont vote against a fascist, you must be one. Otherwise you wouldnt sit at their table.
Democrats capitulating to fascists repeatedly over the course of decades got us here. You’re blaming people who noticed.
I voted for harris. You blame all criticism for fascism, regardless of how anyone voted.
Blaming people who noticed and did… what exactly? I consider democrats to be what republicans probably should be. I also think we have gotten repeatedly screwed. Ford v Dodge, Cit U, “trickledown ec.”, etc, those are extremely obvious indicators of Rulers vs Peasants being the goal over and over. Both sides are supported by different evils, both are still evil. Both want some form of a surveillance state. Both want to reduce the power of the voter. Senators exist still. Thats a giant middle finger to people who arent born with a silver spoon already in their intestinal tract.
Who tried to warn that the party was alienating too many voters to win.
We did not try “not evil.”
Centrists put forward a genocidal candidate without asking the voters.
Ahh you’re one of the reasons why more genocides are happening, now, caused by someone we definitely cant get to stop through protest. Remember, you voted for this.
Great foresight.
As for “not evil”, I want to know who has been “not evil” by your definition.
I should start keeping tally of how many times disagreeing with the genocidal leads them to believe that I voted how they don’t want.
I voted for harris. You want me to shut up and love genocide and nothing else.
I didnt say “love genocide”, now thats you assuming I want it, or to elicit something from me. Very strange attempt to blame-shift. We could have protested and made Harris change her position. She wasnt vocally for or against the horrific and ongoing genocide due to who funded her campaign. AIPAC is evil. Netanyahu is very easily described as evil. That isnt up for discussion.
The reason it leads people to assume you didnt at least try to uphold democracy is how disgusted you seem to be about basic reality.
Oh, you don’t? Then you don’t need to defend people who sell weapons for it any longer.
People did protest. Centrists dismissed them as trumpers for suggesting voting uncommitted in the non-primaries. Just like centrists call anyone who continues to object to the party’s genocide support a trumper. Often while saying that all the criticism of the party’s genocide support evaporated after the election.
She said she wouldn’t differ from biden on genocide. That’s unequivocally in favor of genocide.
And too few voters were willing to accept that, so harris lost.
The basic reality is that the party betrayed its voters for netanyahu. That is disgusting. At least it disgusts me. You don’t seem to mind.
“You don’t seem to mind”
Another random and unjustified poke/whatever. You should realize at this point that Im in favour of being able to reason with people instead of the other option of a person who literally attempted to overthrow the government. We were intentionally given a very bad pick between 2, but it was frozen airline food chicken vs shattered glass and nails. At least you eat the chicken and change it to make it less awful. Stomaching ≠ supporting, which you have indicated already with your statement of having voted for Harris.
That argument was enough for me, but not sufficient to win. It will not be sufficient to win going forward. I don’t want this to happen again. I don’t want to be strongarmed into voting for a reprehensible piece of genocidal shit only to have the genocide cult blame me anyway.
Absolutely.
I think you just assume more people are pro-genocide than there are. Its just about combativeness, a good position is undermined when its put out negatively. You have good positions (imo) other than thinking a ton of people are pro-genocide/indifferent(and thus pro-genocide) and … maybe that their minds arent able to be changed? Or something, its very negative nonetheless. Thats part of protesting. Changing minds. And informing. A lot of people pay zero attention to politics.
“Schumer has been around forever so he must care” … and then mysteriously a democrat (totally not a scapegoat) will vote with the republicans for some new evil shit.
We were forced into the 2 party system even further than just republicans and democrats, which was already a 2 way divide (ignoring eeeeevvveryone else) to support Netanyahu or support Netanyahu and multiple other dictators, along with re-electing our own Goodly Bestest Dictator.