I’m not implying forced vaccinations from the government, I’m suggesting that when your neighbor is a threat to the most vulnerable members of your community, you, yes, you the person I’m talking to, unite with your likeminded neighbors and do everything in your power to isolate, ostracize, and exclude that person from society until their only choice becomes live in total isolation or complies. Our government is in the hands of the anti-vax enablers, they’re not going to do anything about it. It’s your responsibility to identify the threats to children, the elderly, and the most vulnerable in your community and neutralize them.
They don’t even need to change their minds about it, just like a bigot is free to be a bigot in the privacy of their own home. You can’t force a white supremecist to abandon their mindset because you cannot “make” someone believe what they don’t want to believe. You can only make espousing their beliefs and acting upon them in public a costly endeavor.
Look at what’s happening in Africa with the Ebola outbreak. The demand for access to dangerous corpses due to religious beliefs is fueling the destruction of the facilities trying to protect the public and will result in the disease continuing to spread. Measles and Covid are bad, Ebola is pretty much just death waiting to happen. Would you tolerate “right to deny” and demand we coddle deniers with patience and compassion if they were willfully exposing society to some of our most lethal diseases? If yes, well, there’s nothing left to discuss. If not, why do you demand we tolerate them scarring children for life with something that could have been prevented.
We do already hold people accountable for knowingly spreading disease. If someone knows they’re HIV positive and continues to spread it without informing their partner of the risk, they are penalized for it. HIV isn’t even the death sentence it was 30yrs ago, but it is a lifelong medical burden that can affect quality of life and life expectancy. Why do we allow others to spread diseases that cause suffering, scar, cause long term health issues, and sometimes kill? The responsibility for protecting your community is on you, not the government.
I understand what you’re getting at, and I even addressed this exact point in my last comment:
Societal shame and alienation may have worked in a pre-Internet world, but it works no longer. No matter how depraved, destructive, or horrible someone’s behavior is, there will be a community on the Internet who supports and encourages it. The ONLY WAY to reach those people, to keep them from falling deeper down rabbit holes, is through compassion.
Societal ostracization, stigmatization, they just don’t work anymore as a means of discouraging negative behaviors. That’s why overt white supremacy has made a comeback, despite being the most stigmatized, widely derided and most culturally unacceptable pattern of behavior. Shaming people is no longer effective to change behavior. If it was, Trump never would have been a viable candidate.
The only remaining reason to treat people poorly is to make ourselves feel better. There’s no other benefit to doing so anymore. I’d recommend you accept the reality of the world we’re living in.
I’m not implying forced vaccinations from the government, I’m suggesting that when your neighbor is a threat to the most vulnerable members of your community, you, yes, you the person I’m talking to, unite with your likeminded neighbors and do everything in your power to isolate, ostracize, and exclude that person from society until their only choice becomes live in total isolation or complies. Our government is in the hands of the anti-vax enablers, they’re not going to do anything about it. It’s your responsibility to identify the threats to children, the elderly, and the most vulnerable in your community and neutralize them.
They don’t even need to change their minds about it, just like a bigot is free to be a bigot in the privacy of their own home. You can’t force a white supremecist to abandon their mindset because you cannot “make” someone believe what they don’t want to believe. You can only make espousing their beliefs and acting upon them in public a costly endeavor.
Look at what’s happening in Africa with the Ebola outbreak. The demand for access to dangerous corpses due to religious beliefs is fueling the destruction of the facilities trying to protect the public and will result in the disease continuing to spread. Measles and Covid are bad, Ebola is pretty much just death waiting to happen. Would you tolerate “right to deny” and demand we coddle deniers with patience and compassion if they were willfully exposing society to some of our most lethal diseases? If yes, well, there’s nothing left to discuss. If not, why do you demand we tolerate them scarring children for life with something that could have been prevented.
We do already hold people accountable for knowingly spreading disease. If someone knows they’re HIV positive and continues to spread it without informing their partner of the risk, they are penalized for it. HIV isn’t even the death sentence it was 30yrs ago, but it is a lifelong medical burden that can affect quality of life and life expectancy. Why do we allow others to spread diseases that cause suffering, scar, cause long term health issues, and sometimes kill? The responsibility for protecting your community is on you, not the government.
I understand what you’re getting at, and I even addressed this exact point in my last comment:
Societal ostracization, stigmatization, they just don’t work anymore as a means of discouraging negative behaviors. That’s why overt white supremacy has made a comeback, despite being the most stigmatized, widely derided and most culturally unacceptable pattern of behavior. Shaming people is no longer effective to change behavior. If it was, Trump never would have been a viable candidate.
The only remaining reason to treat people poorly is to make ourselves feel better. There’s no other benefit to doing so anymore. I’d recommend you accept the reality of the world we’re living in.