Ragdoll X

Three raccoons in a trench coat. I talk politics and furries.

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Cake day: June 20th, 2023

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  • doesn’t it follow that AI-generated CSAM can only be generated if the AI has been trained on CSAM?

    Not quite, since the whole thing with image generators is that they’re able to combine different concepts to create new images. That’s why DALL-E 2 was able to create a images of an astronaut riding a horse on the moon, even though it never saw such images, and probably never even saw astronauts and horses in the same image. So in theory these models can combine the concept of porn and children even if they never actually saw any CSAM during training, though I’m not gonna thoroughly test this possibility myself.

    Still, as the article says, since Stable Diffusion is publicly available someone can train it on CSAM images on their own computer specifically to make the model better at generating them. Based on my limited understanding of the litigations that Stability AI is currently dealing with (1, 2), whether they can be sued for how users employ their models will depend on how exactly these cases play out, and if the plaintiffs do win, whether their arguments can be applied outside of copyright law to include harmful content generated with SD.

    My question is: why aren’t OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, Anthropic… sued for possession of CSAM? It’s clearly in their training datasets.

    Well they don’t own the LAION dataset, which is what their image generators are trained on. And to sue either LAION or the companies that use their datasets you’d probably have to clear a very high bar of proving that they have CSAM images downloaded, know that they are there and have not removed them. It’s similar to how social media companies can’t be held liable for users posting CSAM to their website if they can show that they’re actually trying to remove these images. Some things will slip through the cracks, but if you show that you’re actually trying to deal with the problem you won’t get sued.

    LAION actually doesn’t even provide the images themselves, only linking to images on the internet, and they do a lot of screening to remove potentially illegal content. As they mention in this article there was a report showing that 3,226 suspected CSAM images were linked in the dataset, of which 1,008 were confirmed by the Canadian Centre for Child Protection to be known instances of CSAM, and others were potential matching images based on further analyses by the authors of the report. As they point out there are valid arguments to be made that this 3.2K number can either be an overestimation or an underestimation of the true number of CSAM images in the dataset.

    The question then is if any image generators were trained on these CSAM images before they were taken down from the internet, or if there is unidentified CSAM in the datasets that these models are being trained on. The truth is that we’ll likely never know for sure unless the aforementioned trials reveal some email where someone at Stability AI admitted that they didn’t filter potentially unsafe images, knew about CSAM in the data and refused to remove it, though for obvious reasons that’s unlikely to happen. Still, since the LAION dataset has billions of images, even if they are as thorough as possible in filtering CSAM chances are that at least something slipped through the cracks, so I wouldn’t bet my money on them actually being able to infallibly remove 100% of CSAM. Whether some of these AI models were trained on these images then depends on how they filtered potentially harmful content, or if they filtered adult content in general.










  • Didn’t some country already try this and fail miserably?


    Edit: Oh yeah, El Salvador invested $150M in bitcoin only for it to lose half its value lol


    Edit 2: lmao at the replies. For those of you who haven’t read the Wikipedia article on this, here’s the gist of it:

    • Salvadorian president Bukele forces businesses to accept BTC as legal tender, sets aside $150M in cash to back up his BTC plans, and offers $30 to anyone who signs up to a government-backed digital BTC wallet. Most Salvadorians never used it, and most who did just spend their $30 and leave. Less than 0.0001% of financial transactions use this BTC digital wallet, and most Salvadorians disapprove of Bukele’s decisions, with >70% having little or no confidence in BTC, and 9/10 not even understanding what it is.

    • Bukele announces a “Bitcoin City”, which leads to El Salvador’s overseas bonds to fall by 30%.

    • In 2022, because of the BTC crash, the Salvadoran national reserves lost $22M.

    • By 2022 only 20% of businesses were actually using BTC, and only 3% thought it was actually valuable. By that point El Salvador’s BTC had lost half of its value, and Bukele responded to its volatility by “buying the dip” like a maniac, with many economists predicting the country would likely default on its debt. And in usual right-wing fashion he cut public spending to make up for his incompetence, including water infrastructure and public services in some municipalities.

    • Finally, after all of this bullshit, in March 2024 El Salvador’s BTC holdings stood at a 50% profit. Now that it’s valued at >$100K their profit is higher, though by how much I’m not sure. Bukele still hasn’t sold the BTC for some reason.

    If you look at all of this and genuinely think that the recent (and undoubtedly temporary) increase in the value of Bitcoin makes this whole thing a “Big Chungus W win for Bitcoin” or whatever, I strongly urge you to stay away from crypto and any casinos for your own sake. I assure you that there are plethora of better ways to spend the time of government employees and taxpayer money, and you deserve better than whatever faux-utopia crypto bros have sold to you. Actually investing in the country’s infrastructure and economy, or even something like Norway’s sovereign wealth fund, are much better ways to improve the economy without some long-term gamble that causes citizens to suffer.






  • Really it’s going to depend on the specific product and where/how it’s produced, but of course as with anywhere else a lot of our stuff is imported from other countries, so since the Brazilian Real lost a lot of its value relative to other currencies in the past few years things have gotten a lot more expensive.

    This is obviously not an exact or thorough comparison, but just to give you an idea: The minimum and median wages are, respectively (assuming the usual 40h/week of work):

    U.S. - $1.160 | $4.949

    Brazil - R$1.412 ($231,86) | R$3.123 ($512,82)

    I could be completely wrong but the cheapest USB-3 phone charger I saw on Amazon was $5, so 0.43% of the minimum wage and 0.1% of the median wage, while in Brazil’s main online shop (Mercado Livre) the cheapest one I saw was R$32, or 2.3% of the minimum wage and 1% of the median wage, which seems about right considering the dollar is about R$6 right now.

    A new Nintendo Switch Lite costs $200, while here in Brazil the cheapest one I could find was R$1400, so almost the entirety of our minimum wage.

    Point is, most things, and especially electronics, are expensive as heck nowadays.