My thoughts, and I would really, really love for someone to offer me a sliver of hope.

• They only have to pick a few counties with surprising results and audit those to figure out if there’s a widespread problem worth a more extensive recount, right? I realize that’s still far more work than I probably realize, but I feel like it would be a good litmus test for “there is something here” or “there is not, sorry folks.”

• Anyone have any faith at all that Dems will pursue the actual possibility of fraud with a fraction of the verve that Republicans have pursued fictitious voter fraud?

• I’ve been silently praying that on November 6th someone in Kamala’s circle had already thought of my first bullet point above, that this is already in progress, and they won’t talk about it until they are done, but also see my second bullet point. 😁

I’ve lost every smidgen of respect I had for Americans.

Says the guy who is happy to damn tens of millions of people who didn’t vote for this (not to mention all the kids and such) right along with those who did.

What about his behavior to date makes you think that? I feel like that sounds snarky but I don’t intend it that way.

I’ve been saying what will keep me alive the next four years is reminding Trump voters they are getting what they voted for every time they start to complain.

But, four years of even Republicans having to fight tooth and nail against his insanity would be even better.

actually now that i think about it that has already happened (busdriver)

What?! Not Busdriver!

Well that sucks! I only just discovered them in the past few days.

I wonder if in other countries it’s enshrined outside of military law, and that’s the distinction? I have no clue.

It could be, I don’t know either.

It’s generally called a “duty to disobey,” and is empowered by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is more concerned about the need to obey orders, but specifies the conditions when military personnel may feel justified in not following them:

If the order is “contrary to the constitution” or “the laws of the United States.”

If the order is “patently illegal, … such as one that directs the commission of a crime.”

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/what-is-a-military-duty-to-disobey/

It’s generally called a “duty to disobey,” and is empowered by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is more concerned about the need to obey orders, but specifies the conditions when military personnel may feel justified in not following them:

If the order is “contrary to the constitution” or “the laws of the United States.”

If the order is “patently illegal, … such as one that directs the commission of a crime.”

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/what-is-a-military-duty-to-disobey/

How often does this happen?

Dunno, but an awful lot has been written about it. We don’t elect dictators very often, so I’d say we’re in uncharted waters here.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=soliders+who+have+disobeyed+unlawful+orders&ia=web

😁

I literally had kool aid typed because that’s what everyone is used to hearing. Then I thought of the number of times I’ve said “Well ackshually” to others about that, so decided to heed my own pedantry.

I’ve been out a long time and was of low rank in any case. However, I’m skeptical that safeguards don’t exist that will make that less effective than it sounds.

For one thing, the duty to disobey unlawful orders goes all the way to the lowest E1. (And when I was in, having grounds to refuse such an order and be justifiably defiant felt like Dobby hoping for Malfoy to give him clothes - it was unlikely, but I was always ready to go, and I don’t think I was alone there.)

But I am doubtful that Trump can successfully reach a point where all or even enough of the top brass are willing to drink his flavor aid to not have to worry about them.

I don’t fail to appreciate your viewpoint, but while such a military exists, I’d like stopping 21st century Hitler before he can get started to be a service they provide.

“are you waiting to receive my limp penis?”

Since seeing this video clip for the first time, I have spent my life since then awaiting the exact set of circumstances which will make this the line I need to deliver. Alas, it has not yet happened.

A tiny sliver of hope.

I know the sorts of oaths I had to take when I was in the military. I didn’t really enjoy my time there and I still took them seriously.

Those folks at the Pentagon, I would hope, are the sort that take them very seriously. And it is your duty to refuse unlawful orders.

If there’s enough “good ones” left, we might see some resistance coming from that area.

Edit: Hey folks I know plenty of people have an axe to grind with the US military. And you are welcome to post your axe in reply to my comment. But I’m not really interested in carrying water for every wrongful or unpopular thing that the US military has ever done. I got out for (many) reasons. So please don’t expect a reply!

Damn, you’re right, she did mention that in one single interview and I had forgotten until you mentioned it.

And yet, if it were an important issue to you, important enough that your vote hinged on it, I’m quite sure you and every other voter could head to google and go “Kamala Harris price gouging” to find out.

The argument is basically “Yes she was doing what I wanted but she didn’t tell me personally so I voted for the other guy.”

Yeah this post aged like milk.

At least a furrowed brow.

Fair! But personally it’s my opinion that in all but a vanishingly small number of cases, if someone is sitting on high tens of millions of dollars and on up, I feel very certain that fundamentally this description works:

Literally enriched herself off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.

While there are people who are underpaid and struggling to eat, there’s not a path to that kind of wealth that isn’t directly or indirectly exploiting their pain and suffering.

Their wealth is itself the evidence.