“I have an oculus account”

Same thing. Facebook = meta = oculus. The ability to even have something called an oculus account is purely grandfathered in, lucky you for getting one in the good ol days and only giving facebook money once to use your headset as a pc display, but nobody else can do that ever again. It’s a “meta account” now.

“We don’t require a facebook account, we require a meta account”

“We don’t eat dairy, we eat cheese”

Can you install software directly to the device without a Facebook account? Can you update the device firmware without a Facebook account? If you buy a new one right now, can you play games on it without a Facebook account? Can it serve as a display for your PC without a Facebook account? Can you modify or alter the games and software installed on the system with third-party tools? If you get account/IP banned from Facebook for not providing/verifying your real identity when making the account, does your headset become a paperweight?

That’s what the “meta ecosystem” means. If you can’t operate the device without signing into a Meta account in good standing, the ecosystem is locked down. A corporation can break your toy whenever they want to. The Quest’s price to specs ratio is fantastic specifically because Facebook knows they basically have to undercut their competitors to that level to sell people Facebook accounts and make those people use their own software store, even if one or two Enlightened Individuals can manage to only make a Facebook account and use their store to download the PC connect stuff.

I personally consider the Quest at $500 to be an $800 headset that pays me $300 to make a Facebook account and that deal isn’t good enough for me.

Yes, but that’s Facebook. What i said was “either deal with Facebook or pay $900+”. Neither option is worth it to me for the novelty that VR provides. A Quest 3 at $500 or $300 with a completely open source operating system would already be on my shelf, but it’s Facebookware.

VR also isn’t worth “tradeoffs” like installing a proprietary streaming tool to kludge the Facebook thing into pretending to be a “standard VR” display. What Valve’s offering is something I can completely trust to:

A: not require any hoops to jump through to use with VR-capable software on my computer

B: work with any of that VR-capable PC software instead of requiring one locked down storefront (and the storefront it’ll be most compatible with is Steam)

C: work with any Android APK software on device, for the lower intensity VR toys like Beat Saber

D: be compatible with a variety of controllers and peripherals

E: not be connected to Facebook in any way

F: maintain an open source OS so that a community can fully maintain the software even if the original manufacturer abandons support for the device

For those promises, I’d buy in at up to ~$700. No other headset on the market currently fulfills this list for less than $1000.

The main (and big) reason to not touch Quest is Facebook. It’s Facebook hardware running Facebook software and everything you do is tied to a Facebook account. VR is a novelty, I don’t think it’s a novelty worth using Facebook or buying a $900+ piece of hardware for (and most non Quests have their own restrictions).

Plus as far as I know, Quest doesn’t work very well as a PCVR headset. So instead of my $2000 gaming PC, I’d be playing these ultra high resolution high refresh rate games on what’s functionally a phone. Frame is designed as PCVR-first.

I’ll stick with “just a browser”, specifically one derived directly from Firefox (FF being free software is the only good thing about FF that Mozilla won’t revoke or change). Mozilla lost my custom and I’m not responsible for cheerleading for them.

Check out the reply to this from the lead of the Waterfox project. Would I rather use a browser by the guy promising to turn my browser into an “ecosystem” of tools, or the one saying:

“Waterfox will not include LLMs. Full stop.”

“The browser’s job is to serve you, not to think for you. That core Waterfox principle hasn’t changed, and it won’t.”

“If AI browsers dominate and then falter, if users discover they want something simpler and more trustworthy, Waterfox will still be here, marching patiently along. We’ve been here before. When Firefox abandoned XUL extensions, Waterfox Classic preserved them. When Mozilla started adding telemetry and Pocket and sponsored content, Waterfox stripped it out. I like to think that where there is want for a browser that simply respects you, Waterfox has delivered.”

“Waterfox exists because some users want a browser that simply works well at being a browser. The UI is mature - arguably, it has been a solved for problem for years. The customisation features are available and apparent. The focus is on performance and web standards.”

And hey, because Waterfox is a Firefox fork, that oh so precious user agent data people love to bring up to dissuade people from leaving poor Mozilla to shrivel up is still telling websites ‘yep, this is a Gecko engine browser’.

Ignore all the AI stuff. I do not want my web browser to ever “evolve” into “more than a web browser”. I want it to be a web browser. I do not want an “ecosystem” of related products. I want a web browser.

They loophole it by not “hosting” anything other than text. Link to something and someone else is accountable right? Just ignore that data is data and any image or video can be expressed as a sequence of “text” :)

“it’s easier than you think” is one thing that’s very helpful to show to people that don’t already know about using free software without tracking and such, but when it’s “it’s easier than you think, just spend hundreds of dollars and replace your device” I’d say the barrier to entry is the cost more than the skill.

Aren’t there phones like the Nothing that already have fully FOSS android implementations pre-installed? That’s the peak “easy” - just buy a new product! So saying installing Lineage is “easy” to someone who very likely can only do so after buying a new product is burying the lede.

If you’re buying a new one, whatever fits your budget and is compatible with Lineage/Graphene.

The only times I’ve personally been forced off of a Samsung phone (though I’ve mostly had flagships) wasn’t due to any day-to-day degradation in user experience. It was stuff like switching USA carriers or my carrier blacklisting devices with 3g. My current S22 Ultra is three years old, going on four, and aside from needing to use adb and shizuku to have a semblance of control I once had with root there’s nothing wrong with it. My previous phone was only replaced because it became incompatible with my ATT phone service in the US. The Note 9, which was four years-ish old when ATT decided 3g+4g wasn’t good enough and deactivated any SIM i put in the thing. If not for that arbitrary carrier-made decision, I can’t think of many things that 9 couldn’t do that the S22U can.

My next phone won’t be a purchase I make until I absolutely need to make it, and at that point it’ll exclusively be a pick from degooglable unlockable models. I’ll probably choose based on hardware like an SD slot, removable battery, and stylus if any of those are available. Or maybe linux phones will be a thing at that point and I’ll be looking at those.

$300 plus shipping and taxes. In your region. And a whole lot more than $0, which is the cost of staying on someone’s old phone. when someone’s buying a new phone already, considering its compatibility with Lineage or Graphene is something that should be on more people’s radar, I agree. But switching from googled vendor’d Android to fully open Android isn’t a pure skill issue like switching from Chrome to Firefox (/Waterfox/librewolf) or Windows to Linux is. “I’d switch but it’s too hard” is a much smaller reason than “I’d switch but it’s too expensive” is.

Someone’s five year old phone is just as likely to be a five year old Samsung/etc with a locked bootloader.

Of course it is. But that doesn’t change that for very many users, the difficulty of the install process isn’t anywhere close to a limiting factor.

Doesn’t matter how easy it is when step zero is “spend $500+ on a new phone because you’re currently using a Samsung or other device with a locked bootloader”

Remember, even cheaper phones (that actually work with your carrier) get marked up. Taxes, shipping, accessories like a case. Being able to afford a new device is nice and Lineage/Graphene make a good case for which new device you should buy, but someone’s five year old phone still works.

I will say, Cyberpunk runs a lot better on the Deck than Clair Obscur does. Clair Obscur isn’t worth running on Deck IMO - frames drop below 30, hair and shadows are a horrible mess, and in the game’s first big cutscene that wasn’t an FMV it was so stuttery that it was making the music crackle. Completely ruins the game.

My steam deck is 95% docked gameplay. I love the ui, ux, cross saves, steam features, ability to play non steam games, and ease of use with the pile of controllers I’ve accreted over the years.

The same experience but it can run Expedition 33 at 1080p without looking like a framey disaster? Sign me up unless it’s ridiculously expensive. I’ve got no interest at all in buying one of the big 3’s DRM boxes, and building a PC for the living room is very expensive unless I’m willing to have it be a bigass tower. The cube is for meeeeeeee.

From what I can see, this doesn’t need privilege escalation. Just for the user to grant it screen reader privileges, which many users aren’t conditioned to see as the giant flashing red alarm bell it is.

Malware is like fishing. Bait a million hooks and throw them out there, something’s gonna bite and get hooked even if 999,999 lines never even get tugged.

Waterfox is as detached as it gets. Copy over your profile folder and it’s about as intrusive and experience-altering as a browser update. You can still use Mozilla’s addon store if you want. Your existing addons and data will all seamlessly migrate from FF to WF.

“This” particular event is about support pages in non-English languages, not anything in the browser specifically. So “it” isn’t exactly capable of impacting the browser.

Any chance for a self-hostable containerized version? I’d love to be able to spin up my own local instance on my homeserver.

MS Gamepass uses the same model. Some percentage of a customer’s $30/mo doesn’t go to Sandfall Studios for “selling” Expedition 33 on Gamepass, Sandfall got a fat lump sum from MS in exchange for MS being allowed to distribute their game to subscribers.

Steam’s for-profit too. The term you’re looking for that describes CDPR but not Valve is “publicly traded” or simply “has shareholders”.

They’re not giving away retail price games. They’re paying dev teams single payouts to make a game limited-time-claimable. Your copy of a $60 game didn’t cost Epic $60, it cost them “$400k divided by number of downloads within the promo period”. And the devs take the payout because they know it’s coming in addition to all the paying customers on Steam. Basically a guaranteed return on investment.