It’s not, pro-palestine crowd in USA is relatively politicaly concious, so you would be hard pressed to find people from that group that didn’t vote for Harris. Idea that people caring about Gaza in USA would be unaware that Trump is worse pick is flawed, as it would require both awareness about foreign affairs and USA capabilities in terms of negotiating the ceasefire, and also being completely unaware of Trump attitude towards Palestine and Israel. Also, anyone caring enough to protest most likely cares enough to vote, so those people weren’t the issue.

Dems fucked up their campaign big time and now they’re looking for scapegoats to blame, unable to admit to their many flaws that led to this result.

Excuses? I’m not even from the USA. That’s a critique. And you seem to miss the point of it entirely.

I find it hard to believe people making those memes are dumb enough to believe the underlying message. The pro-palestinian activist crowd was way too small to change anything in this massive loss, and I’d wager more of them percentage wise went and voted for Harris after all, than registered Dems did. Those people are politicaly concious enough to care about foreign politics, something vast majority of the voter base doesn’t care in the slightest. I’ve seen you fuckers shadow boxing with some theoretical far left cabal, both apparently major in terms of being blamed for diverting voters and insignificant in terms of being worth listening to according to your propaganda, and I’ve barely ever seen anyone from the left saying that they wont vote for Harris. You’ve spammed those memes about not voting for Harris being a vote for Trump and pointed fingers at abstract pro-palestinian crowd, despite knowing fully well those people were going - and did, by the way - to vote for Harris. Dems lost not because of the politicaly engaged people on the left, you morons. Dems lost because they completely failed to engage people that weren’t interested in politics. They completely capitulated the border issue to the GOP, allowing to full blown fascist narrative to emerge - something that wouldn’t have happend it they pushed back instead. They paraded the animated corpse of Biden for far too long, going they could get away with it somehow. Completely sanitized Harris and muzzled Walz after their initial pro-workers and anti-corporate messages. They tried to shame people into voting instead of engaging them, shitted on the open primary, silenced arab communities, and then got confused when people not caring about politics too much failed to show up.

You’re trying to show how much smarter you are than the anti-genociders with those memes, but you’re completely missing the mark. This outcome is exactly what those people warned you about. People are mostly disengaged from the politics, and when they vote, they vote based on vibes. The year long support for genocide, broadcasted on every station and in many speeches, is a fucking vibe killer for many voters. The Dems had atrocious vibes all the way back from the october 7. They should have never give a green light for killing the civilians, on either side. They fumbled and refused to acknowledge it.

But yeah, Gaza is a relatively minor issue to the voters, seeing as people aren’t interested in foreign politics at all. The reason why Dems lost was a sum of many other fuck ups as well. They barely even talked about Biden being pro union and walking the picket line. They barely pushed against the inflation lies. They laser focused being anti-immigration and calling Trump (deserved, sure) names. They’re 100% guilty of letting Trump rule now, seeing how bad Trump campaign was. And seeing how your current propaganda looks like, it seems like you’re not going to learn any lessons from this loss, assuming you guys ever get to vote again.

I’d say any claims about rape being a justification for genocide have lost their weight after Israelis protested punishment of IDF soldiers for rape of prisoners on the basis of “Palestinians deserving it”. There are no moral arguments supporting begining, maintaining or continuing the genocide in Gaza.

While there were many detrimental factors Dems failed to properly address or apparently expected to be treated as positives, the obvious main one was attempting to outflank the GOP from the right. Every attempt to talk negatively about immigration or social issues was bound to result in more people taking Trump seriously instead of thinking Dems will do something. Everything about the illegal immigration rethoric was false, from the numbers to the effects, and Dems knew it - they decided they wanted to pretend this issue exists, so they can also play the right wing populist game. Pro-genocidal rethoric was also something right wing electorate knew Trump would do better, and some people disgusted with that rethoric decided not to vote. Dems wanted to become more right wing, to get that sweet ability to talk complete bullshit about everything and cover their inefficiencies with the mirages of bigotry. They believed their more “reasonable” right wing populist will win instead of wild maniacy like Trump - exactly as they did back in 2016, except this time Kamala had the chance to shape a different image for herself and she refused to do so. They gambled going to get away with moving further right and still getting elected, since Trump should have been very unpopular by all metrics they were capable of imagining. Instead, they gained no votes from the right and lost a fuck ton from the center and the left. Their arrogant and callous campaign sentenced many americans to likely death. They absolutely could have fought with all they had and ceded concessions to their voters instead of donors and “allies” like Israel. They could have went left instead of right, as many of us hoped after the Walz VP pick. Instead they lost, as the worse and less dedicated right wing party of US. They’re to blame for what’s going to happen next, not some abstract impossible to be pointed with finger voters. Yeah, Harris being a black woman in this deeply conservative society was a detriment to her chances. That was outside of her control, unlike everything else she did or didn’t do.

I’ll be honest, unless most of the Democratic Party gets purged, it’s probably meaningless to vote for them (assuming you even can) in 2028. There couldn’t have been easier victory to be had, and they fucked it up. They should have called Trump a pedophile, but were afraid that their own pedophiles like Clinton would get hit with a shrapnell. They could have promised to tax the ultra rich, like Elon Musk down to the fucking ground, but they wanted their money themselves. They didn’t want to promise anything big, knowing fully well that no one would believe them with their terrible track record of implementing any meaningful and radical chances, while Trump claimed everything was the fault of immigrants and foreign adversaries and promised radical actions against them. Believing that they wont pull the same bullshit in 2028 is naive, they will refuse to learn anything from this catastrophe, move further right and campaign on “returning to the norm”. Fuck them. Let the greedy fucks burn, just as you will because of them. USA needs a third (and fourth, and fifth…) party, and it needs it now instead of in 4 years. Dems should be completely discarded, and I hope the pain you will feel in next 4 years, pain that they could have prevented but chose not to instead, will convince you as well.

Yeah, I’m done, sorry for the rant. Posts casting blame on voters instead of Dems majorly piss me off right now.

Only thing I can promise you with somewhat high degree of certainty is that you won’t stay that way for long. 2-3 years tops.

Yeah, but you could rent from the government instead of private owners. You have completely no leverage over them, and government could use the rent money to build more housing for renting or sale and drive prices of housing down instead.

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They could have memed it to hell and back with stuff like “I did not have a sexual relationship with that furniture mr. Clinton” or “only inanimate thing im horny for is democracy” but they had to go full serious damage control mode. Like, if they told us there are no aliens invading and put soldiers in the streets we would look out for ufos. What did they think they were going to gain by that kind of response? Completely detached from the ether, they are.

Ken M strikes me as the type who should never be left unattended in any room

yes, that is the transgender agenda, we switch genders each time we open lemmy and use blahaj plushies to stabilize, don’t blow our cover like that in public though jesus christ

Capitalisms’ unsustainable model of infinite growth requires something like imperialism to keep going, and even if you could point out alternative venues for capital acquisition, it’s still what people in power want, since it gives them more than just fuel for capitalism, but also more power. Countries and companies that do not rely on imperialism directly, most often rely in others that do. While it’s not entirely futile to discuss whenever that has to be the case in theorethical capitalist solution, it is the case in one we’re living under, and since it’s the ruling class of hyper-wealthy that make decisions about the worlds future and current state of affairs is result of those decisions, it is the system we have to deal with. Unless, you know, we bring out the guilottines and start over, but I don’t see much point in retrying capitalism to see if it won’t lead us down on the path to facism again.

I think pretending there are A LOT of people like you that want this specific thing that is kind of weird is an attempt to appeal to authority of slightly more invested in politics “masses”. If someone tells a conservative and disconnected corn farmer that ALL conservatives care about that trans thing and that it’s a danger to your style of life, and that they mutilate children, then they might not check if any of that is true. Just assume that someone did, since apparently all their conservative friends are in on it. And you might just make a fool out of yourself if you ask any questions, since you know you don’t really belong with “silent conservative majority” because unlike them you’re not invested in politics and didn’t do your research… So you better keep your mouth shut and go along with the flow. Same thing with facism. Also preys on embarassed ignorance of the “silent majority” …imo

But that would only work under assumption that in any group of people at least one of them has to be a ghost, or at the very least the chance that there is a ghost in a group of people is greater than 0, right? Is it something about the chance of someone being a ghost being truly unknown, and thus all possible values of probability being taken as equally rational, and with infinite number of possible values for probability of someone being a ghost for infinite number of them observing that no one in a group of people you’re in is a ghost… No, that wouldn’t work either, because it would require an assumption that this specific group of people might have a ghost among them. Assuming anyone can be a ghost with unknown probability still only works when the group you’re observing is entire population, does it not? Limiting it to specific group of people relies on it being representative of entire population, and random groups are not. Especially if you were to be a ghost, that would already make a group you’re in rather unique. Or not, depending on what’s the unknown value of probability of someone being a ghost.

I mean, what???

I don’t understand, please explain

He looks like he commented to someone doing this sport professionally that it look easy and now, with a bit of disdain and irritation, he had to show them what he meant by that

While I seriously don’t think there is a chance in hell it was a false flag (why would they pick a known conservative instead of someone pretending to be leftist?) it technically could have been applied by SS without Trumps knowledge, which would have been very funny

WW3 between… Russia and North Korea, with… uhh… allies? It’s weird because both China and USA would want to get involved, but neither would know on which side. Imagine USA allying with China to help North Korea fight Russia by mistake. That would be embarrassing.