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  • The only way that trans people make sense is if gender and sex are two separate things.

    How is it that I, a straight man, am attracted to trans women if they’re actually men? Does that mean that I’m bisexual? No, because I’m not attracted to cis men. (Or trans men, for that matter.) Think about the pretzel logic you have to get into if you have a worldview like JK Rowling. “Bisexual for femininity” isn’t a thing. Straight men are attracted to women. Cis women, trans women. Women. Period.

    Now, I know that it’s about more than attraction, but this is what got me to start thinking about this. Another was this thought experiment somebody gave me: “If your dick got chopped off, would you instantly turn into a woman?” No, of course not.

    At this point a gender essentialist would probably start talking about chromosomes. Chromosomes determine what your gender is! Nobody uses this as a definition for gender in any practical way, though. When you’re looking at somebody from across the room, you don’t know what their chromosomes are. How many of your friends do you have chromosomal data on? How about the people you’ve dated? Are they going to use chromosomes to determine which bathroom you can use? Or which team you can play on? This is incoherent. It’s like basing gender upon whether you have an even or odd number of atoms in your body.

    I had one person tell me that a trans woman would be unsuitable for marriage because she couldn’t give birth. I’m not interested in having children, but setting that aside…would they say the same thing about a cis woman who’s infertile? Every single one of these arguments is incoherent.









  • The CRA doesn’t use the word “and”. It’s “or”.

    manifesting, promoting, sustaining, or increasing belief

    Meaning it’s optional. Also, “promoting” is quite vague. TST doesn’t qualify in any case, though, because what are they “manifesting, promoting, sustaining, or increasing belief” of?

    a religion’s three key attributes, which are: faith in a higher unseen power such as a God, Supreme Being, or Entity; worship or reverence; and a particular and comprehensive system of doctrines and observances

    So yeah. Non-theistic Satanism doesn’t apply. We have reverence, we have doctrines and observances…we do not have a Supreme anything.

    TST primarily operates in the USA, so the IRS code is much more relevant. Let’s see which part of this applies:

    advancement of religion

    That’s it? “Advancement” is even more vague than “promoting”! I can do a lot of things that “advance” my religion without trying to recruit people. Adding more programs to my congregation, for example. Hey, now we have a book club! Satanism has been advanced.

    In fact, I think that most Satanists would say that trying to recruit wouldn’t be advancement at all…it would be a big step backwards.







  • The Church of Satan are atheists. They might worship the self, but they don’t think the self is a god. I don’t have the patience if you want to split hairs in that, but it isn’t a kind of theism as it’s commonly understood. It’s like saying that vegetarians eat meat because the edible part of a nut is called “meat”.


  • I’ve never heard of TST proselytizing. When and where have you seen this?

    Also, proselytism is part of the definition of a church in most countries, that is why, for instance, the Church of Satan is not legally a church in the US, because they do not proselytize.

    Please post evidence for this.

    The US government is pretty hands-off when it comes to deciding what is and isn’t a religion. It’s that whole First Amendment thing.


  • As much as they are a religion legally, they are atheists and their symbols are not religious, just fancy branding.

    They are religious, because Satanism is a religion. I am a member of TST and a religious Satanist. This is covered in the FAQ on TST’s website.

    TST is an atheistic religion. That is not a contradiction because you don’t need to believe in gods to have a religion (see also Buddhism).