Tesla’s value plunged nearly $200 billion since mid-July – and the EV maker faces a bumpy road ahead::Tesla shares closed Tuesday at just over $233, well down on their 2023 peak of $291.

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    1 year ago

    I see so much hate toward Tesla in this post and I assume it’s mostly because of Musk.

    But at the end of the day they are still the ones selling the most EV which I still believe is a good thing.

    I’d rather people buy an asshole’s EV than another polluting pick-up truck tbh. (I know EV are also creating pollution, no need to point this out ty).

    The vast majority of EVs I see in the street of my french city are Tesla’s. And I see a bit more everyday. And no matter how much I despise Musk, I still appreciate the fact that tesla is helping us move forward from combustion engines.

    I don’t really care if someone buys a Tesla just to show off. It’s one less combustion engine on the road.

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        So? Left pollutes the air, right doesn’t, hence right is undeniably better and completely unrelated to the fact that public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word. EV buses are also better than diesel ones, you know…

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          They are better in the long run when combustion engines have reached their end of life and needs to be changed for something. But replacing a combustion engine solely to get an EV is a waste of energy and material. EVs are heavier and require energy to move, usually a single occupant. Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water, and because EVs are heavier, they do that faster.

          Parking lots generate heat islands, etc… Buying a new car is inherently bad for the environment. We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars!

          WE CAN’T BUY OUR WAY OUT OF THIS WITH NEW GADGETS AND TECHNOLOGY.

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            require energy to move

            Yes, literally everything does. That’s physics.

            Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water

            Tires made from natural rubber exist. Less wearing tires are also a thing but those are less “sporty”. Tire wear can be reduced by driving more smoothly which is something governments can mandate to tweak driving aids accordingly (basically no hard acceleration). Overall EVs are better for the environment than ICE cars.

            We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars!

            I already wrote “public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word”, so don’t preach to me about what I agree with.

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              1 year ago

              Ask me how I know we’re not going to reach any climate change goals.

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            I realize I’m saying this in a technology community but I’ve (we’ve) been promised self driving cars for years and so far it’s only the same promise repeated year after year. Same for recycling. We can’t just recycle everything or wait for a miracle plastic eating bacteria created by technology, we have to consume less.

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      But at the end of the day they are still the ones selling the most EV which I still believe is a good thing.

      “Over 10 Percent of Tesla Model S EVs Fail Germany’s Strict Inspection After 3 Years. It’s actual hard data on Tesla’s quality issues as seen in the wild.” https://www.thedrive.com/news/44068/over-10-percent-of-tesla-model-s-evs-fail-germanys-strict-inspection-after-3-years

      Tesla deserves credit for opening the door on EVs, but these days something like a Hyundai Ionic / Kia EV just makes more sense when you don’t want to buy expensive trash.

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      Teslas just aren’t great EVs compared to other brands. The reason they are popular is because of marketing.

      Give me a Renault EV any day.

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        Aren’t great how? They have some of the most efficient cars, with high charging speeds, and easily the best charging network.

        As far as EVs go, they’re fantastic. Said as someone who has owned multiple EVs from different brands.

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          The charging network argument is getting less important in densely populated Europe, and at least here in the Netherlands. For fast charging I usually charge at Shell Recharge because it’s cheap with my card (for my boss, but small company so I try). Otherwise there’s always a Fastned, Ionity or other party. And there are so many destination chargers that I don’t really hesitate to drive anywhere. And anyway you can charge at Tesla too if there is availability I think, though for the reasons stated above I haven’t needed to.

          And now other brands are coming out with loads of relatively affordable 100-150kwh+ options. At that point a cross continent vacation is still a bit of a hassle, but for daily use that’s more than enough since you mostly charge at home or at a destination anyway.

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        And fix their quality, and upgrade their interior to have buttons, as well as be somewhat nicer than a Toyota for the price they’re asking.

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      tesla’s are shit cars and cars are fuckn awful for the environment so its the creme dela creme of a shit stain. some people actually think they’re doing the environment a good thing buying a new car instead of demanding public transportation/or at least buy something used to literally stop killing the earth.

      like seriously you think you’re doing something to help the environment by buying a new car from a elon fucken musk? like you do realise tesla lobbys against public transporation? You know something that would actually help the environment.

      like he’s literally a car salesman and you dupes were suckered into it like a fucken simpsons monorail

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        Where I live, no amount of anything is going to get me away from a car. Even if I had a billion dollars to invest, I couldn’t get rid of the need for a car, for at least 10 years. It’s a nice position to take, but completely devoid from reality.

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        I agree in regards to public transport in cities of a resonable size and between them. Outside bigger cities, it simply isn’t a workable solution. Fact is that a lot of our modern society is built around cars. It’s not easy to change that.

        BEV’s will certainly not save the world from climate change, but they are a lot better than ICE vehicles and since we aren’t getting rid of vehicles, it’s a lot better if they are BEV’s. Hate Elon Musk as much as you like (I likely wouldn’t disagree with you), but you can’t ignore that Tesla arguably has pushed forward the transition to BEV’s.