Oh, eat a Hello Kitty lunchbox full of dicks. There’s plenty of reasons to hate on TikTok (and Facebook, insta, YouTube, ad-infinitum/ad-nauseum). They’re a damn cancer on society.
Are you being intentionally daft? You realise there is no algorithm behind Lemmy, right? You aren’t being shoved controversial polarizing content subliminally here.
The worst of Lemmy is a certain instance… That I have never heard from after defederation.
Neither are you on TikTok, unless you actively go looking for it
That’s just genuine nonsense. The whole point of platforms like TikTok are the modern recommender systems that (simplified) lead to algorithmic radicalisation. Because these systems heavily optimise towards user engagement, they naturally spread misinformation and controversial content.
And because this kind of content statistically gets more user engagement as people commend on it and spend more time with it, it spreads quicker. This has also e.g. been confirmed by a leaked internal Facebook memo.
And additionally, these systems are personalised, so when you start to interact with it, you get more and more similar content. This leads to a radicalisation pipeline in which the platforms normalises these positions in echo chambers to you.
Uhhh, dude - it’s not illegal. As others have mentioned, it’s a foreign (hostile) actor contributing to election interference efforts in violation of established law. It is essentially enforcing another law that’s already on place!
The complication with fb et al is that as US companies, there are other laws that protect their actions (and I’m not going to minimize the effects of powerful lobbyists).
I’d love to see any evidence of TikTok acting on behalf of any country (especially China) as a hostile actor, or even any evidence of legitimate election interference. If anything banning TikTok is a significantly more hostile response from the US since it silences another forum for free speech.
Social media is a cancer, but this ban is such obvious propaganda. The only reason TikTok was banned because the US government doesn’t have free reign to spy on its users like it does with Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, etc.
If the US government truly cared about social media and it’s affects they would be regulating all of it. Instead they’re trying to ban TikTok while screaming their heads off about China every chance they get. And that’s before mentioning the extremely shady way they passed this; attaching it as a rider through a government ‘aid’ bill.
I find it amusing how people talk about things they read second hand without understanding.
The nominal reason they are banning TikTok is because of the data collection. Nothing to do with election security, but national security. The real reason is that they want to lock down the digital information space in preparation for WW3. TikTok is harder to control and there’s a lot of anti-government messaging on it.
It’s sort of like the Voter ID laws in GOP states. They pass laws for “election security” by making it so you need an ID to vote. The nominal reason is so that they prevent election fraud. The real reason is they’ve done statistical analysis and that law reduces black votes by a couple percent, and blacks tend to vote Democrat.
The real reason in both cases would be unconstitutional, so they come up with another.
And the mass of idiots online cheer on the deterioration of whatever legitimacy was left in American democratic institutions.
In other to infringe the right to speech, you need a valid justification. It needs to be a) narrowly tailored and b) actually accomplish the aim of the legislation.
This is the same reason the judge stopped the Montana TikTok ban.
For a) 170 million Americans use TikTok. So the law has to be ironclad legally speaking to be considered narrowly tailored. It needs to be the bare minimum the government can possibly do to alleviate the ill it claims to address.
The fact is, this legislation does not actually result in a scenario where China loses access to data on Americans. They can just buy it - it’s an ocean of data out there and there’s no real way to stop them accessing it.
Unless you were to make large sweeping changes to the way we handle data, like the EU data laws. But that would affect all social media companies.
What I’m saying is it’s not actually for national security. It’s just that if they said the real purpose “ban content potentially manipulated by a specific group of people” then they would require a much higher burden of scrutiny which they could not meet.
There’s a difference legally speaking between “content-neutral” bans and “content-based”. Content neutral for example is national security and requires less scrutiny. You can’t just arbritarily ban content because of what it says. Note the specific text in the ban: because of data collection. Not the content itself.
Make sure to pay attention to the upcoming court case on this situation. It will be an important case. The CCP has signaled they will not approve a sale to an American company, so Bytedance essentially only has one option, and that is to fight this in court.
The fact is the federal government is playing games. They’re playing loosey goosey with the laws in an attempt to manipulate the digital media environment.
This isn’t something a democracy should be doing. It’s akin to banning foreign media. Like Israel banning Al Jazeera. Whole world is going nuts and we’re pretending it’s OK.
Dude, I was there for when Vine was born and for when it died, and Vine didn’t even get picked up for mass disinformation, and y’know what? Life moved on. If you think that makes me old and out of touch then fine.
Am I a Reddit boomer when I’m 21 and like (some) Tiktok-esque kind of content?
I’ve never used TikTok, but not because I don’t get the idea of using audio as meme template or because I don’t like short videos. But just because that specific platform itself is so vile.
Not just talking about funding the Chinese government, TikTok e.g. reduces reach of neurodivergent people. Even worse, it censors information against China‘s authoritarianism and much more.
Why can’t I be happy that this awful platform loses reach? The content itself will be kept, there are enough copycats.
Also, Lemmy is full of people that stopped using Reddit for ethical reasons. So it’s not surprising many are against TikTok as well tbh.
Greed on Capitol Hill is not new and a huge problem. Big tech does need to get broken up. But are you trying to say TikTok and ByteDance and their backers are small corporations and mom and pop shops??
About 60% of ByteDance is owned by global institutional investors such as Carlyle Group, General Atlantic, and Susquehanna International Group,"
Wiki stuff:
Carlyle Group
The Carlyle Group Inc. is a multinational private equity, alternative asset management and financial services corporation based in the United States with $376 billion of assets under management.
General Atlantic
General Atlantic, legal main entity General Atlantic Service Company, L.P., is an American growth equity firm providing capital and strategic support for global growth companies, headquartered in New York, United States. The firm was founded in 1980 as the captive investment team for Atlantic Philanthropies, a philanthropic organization founded by Charles F. Feeney, the billionaire co-founder of Duty Free Shoppers Ltd.
Susquehanna International Group
The firm invested $5 million into ByteDance, the parent company of TikTok, in 2012 when ByteDance was founded. As of 2020, its stake in ByteDance represented 15 percent of its fully-diluted capitalization table and was valued over $15 billion on paper.[9]
I don’t get your point. I’m against tech monopolies and I hate Google. I want Facebook to be split up and think that the current tech companies are way to powerful, see this video by Last Week Tonight. I use duckduckgo and try to avoid google services.
Don’t pretend to be doing any of this for any kind of moral high ground when you can’t even be bothered to look into something before arguing for it.
Lmao. How would you get the thought I wouldn’t have “looked into this”. That sounds like antivax level of arguments.
Everything you said is basically wrong.
And this gives me the feeling I’m much better informed than you tbh.
Because no, what I wrote is factually correct, read for example this, this or this or just so many more articles, outlining detailed how TikTok censors content made by minorities, talking about the Uighur camps or so much more.
I feel like you can’t grasp the thought that someone knows how bad many tech companies are and still can see that content behind TikTok is at least as terrible. And what I’m writing isn’t any more boomer-like than what you write, you even use the same talking points but are just ignoring any of TikTok’s flaws.
YouTube and Instagram have features that are in direct competition with TikTok. YouTube has even been more aggressive in promoting themselves as the TikTok alternative. On top of that the US government has an incentive to keep them (Google and Meta) happy; since the US routinely spies on its own (and other countries) citizens through these companies.
I mean they’re literally just the guys who read about like, say, 4chan being bad, right, but then never actually use the site itself to see. I mean, yeah, if you go on /pol/ or /r9k/, and then scroll around for like 5 minutes, you can find some content that’s going to reinforce your bias that the site is kind of an ontologically evil fascist hellscape, but if you go on /mu/ it’s gonna be no more toxic than basically any other forum you could go on. It’s just people thoughtlessly parroting the narratives that they’ve heard from other people.
I don’t like tiktok, I don’t like lemmy, I kind of hate social media even though it’s like infested my life because I have no self control, but I’m not gonna be like. This is such an epic pog moment! I’m so pegged outta my gourd! when it gets banned. Because I’ve used it, thoroughly, not just first glance, and I actually understand the pros and cons of the platform. These guys don’t have that, they only have like, the white stale wonderbread and wood chips of social media usage, they only have reddit, and even more libbed up privacy reddit, i.e. the most obvious and in your face social media platforms of all time that give you (ostensibly, in practice, it’s the opposite) a very high amount of control over what they’re seeing. Of course they hate tiktok. On top of the brainrot privacy concerns they all probably have, they’re gonna discard it on the basis that they don’t have the self-control to use its platform, and project that onto everyone else. It’s like a puritan hating coffee, or cocaine, without understanding that it’s a great morning drink, or without understanding that it makes pro wrestling promos wayyyyy fucking better.
Really? I went on it like I wanna say two or three months ago and it wasn’t that bad. You had a couple troll threads, obviously, because (you)s and getting your thread bumped are what the platform incentivizes over anything else, but it didn’t seem that bad.
I see this as a win win
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Oh, eat a Hello Kitty lunchbox full of dicks. There’s plenty of reasons to hate on TikTok (and Facebook, insta, YouTube, ad-infinitum/ad-nauseum). They’re a damn cancer on society.
So we’ll be taking care of those other companies any day now, right?
I wish.
So are places like Reddit and Lemmy but here you are.
Are you being intentionally daft? You realise there is no algorithm behind Lemmy, right? You aren’t being shoved controversial polarizing content subliminally here.
The worst of Lemmy is a certain instance… That I have never heard from after defederation.
Yeah, defederating from Beehaw was definitely a great decision. I’m so glad I don’t have to see those guys’ posts anymore.
Of course there is. Even “sort by newest” is an algorithm, and the default view is more complicated than that.
Neither are you on TikTok, unless you actively go looking for it
That’s just genuine nonsense. The whole point of platforms like TikTok are the modern recommender systems that (simplified) lead to algorithmic radicalisation. Because these systems heavily optimise towards user engagement, they naturally spread misinformation and controversial content.
And because this kind of content statistically gets more user engagement as people commend on it and spend more time with it, it spreads quicker. This has also e.g. been confirmed by a leaked internal Facebook memo.
And additionally, these systems are personalised, so when you start to interact with it, you get more and more similar content. This leads to a radicalisation pipeline in which the platforms normalises these positions in echo chambers to you.
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No just tons of posts cheering on genocide and pushing nazi propaganda.
You’re comparing assholes to oranges
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Uhhh, dude - it’s not illegal. As others have mentioned, it’s a foreign (hostile) actor contributing to election interference efforts in violation of established law. It is essentially enforcing another law that’s already on place!
The complication with fb et al is that as US companies, there are other laws that protect their actions (and I’m not going to minimize the effects of powerful lobbyists).
I’d love to see any evidence of TikTok acting on behalf of any country (especially China) as a hostile actor, or even any evidence of legitimate election interference. If anything banning TikTok is a significantly more hostile response from the US since it silences another forum for free speech.
Social media is a cancer, but this ban is such obvious propaganda. The only reason TikTok was banned because the US government doesn’t have free reign to spy on its users like it does with Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, etc.
If the US government truly cared about social media and it’s affects they would be regulating all of it. Instead they’re trying to ban TikTok while screaming their heads off about China every chance they get. And that’s before mentioning the extremely shady way they passed this; attaching it as a rider through a government ‘aid’ bill.
I find it amusing how people talk about things they read second hand without understanding.
The nominal reason they are banning TikTok is because of the data collection. Nothing to do with election security, but national security. The real reason is that they want to lock down the digital information space in preparation for WW3. TikTok is harder to control and there’s a lot of anti-government messaging on it.
It’s sort of like the Voter ID laws in GOP states. They pass laws for “election security” by making it so you need an ID to vote. The nominal reason is so that they prevent election fraud. The real reason is they’ve done statistical analysis and that law reduces black votes by a couple percent, and blacks tend to vote Democrat.
The real reason in both cases would be unconstitutional, so they come up with another.
And the mass of idiots online cheer on the deterioration of whatever legitimacy was left in American democratic institutions.
So you’re saying it’s for national security… and that’s unconstitutional?
In other to infringe the right to speech, you need a valid justification. It needs to be a) narrowly tailored and b) actually accomplish the aim of the legislation.
This is the same reason the judge stopped the Montana TikTok ban.
For a) 170 million Americans use TikTok. So the law has to be ironclad legally speaking to be considered narrowly tailored. It needs to be the bare minimum the government can possibly do to alleviate the ill it claims to address.
The fact is, this legislation does not actually result in a scenario where China loses access to data on Americans. They can just buy it - it’s an ocean of data out there and there’s no real way to stop them accessing it.
Unless you were to make large sweeping changes to the way we handle data, like the EU data laws. But that would affect all social media companies.
What I’m saying is it’s not actually for national security. It’s just that if they said the real purpose “ban content potentially manipulated by a specific group of people” then they would require a much higher burden of scrutiny which they could not meet.
There’s a difference legally speaking between “content-neutral” bans and “content-based”. Content neutral for example is national security and requires less scrutiny. You can’t just arbritarily ban content because of what it says. Note the specific text in the ban: because of data collection. Not the content itself.
Make sure to pay attention to the upcoming court case on this situation. It will be an important case. The CCP has signaled they will not approve a sale to an American company, so Bytedance essentially only has one option, and that is to fight this in court.
The fact is the federal government is playing games. They’re playing loosey goosey with the laws in an attempt to manipulate the digital media environment.
This isn’t something a democracy should be doing. It’s akin to banning foreign media. Like Israel banning Al Jazeera. Whole world is going nuts and we’re pretending it’s OK.
Dude, I was there for when Vine was born and for when it died, and Vine didn’t even get picked up for mass disinformation, and y’know what? Life moved on. If you think that makes me old and out of touch then fine.
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Am I a Reddit boomer when I’m 21 and like (some) Tiktok-esque kind of content?
I’ve never used TikTok, but not because I don’t get the idea of using audio as meme template or because I don’t like short videos. But just because that specific platform itself is so vile.
Not just talking about funding the Chinese government, TikTok e.g. reduces reach of neurodivergent people. Even worse, it censors information against China‘s authoritarianism and much more.
Why can’t I be happy that this awful platform loses reach? The content itself will be kept, there are enough copycats.
Also, Lemmy is full of people that stopped using Reddit for ethical reasons. So it’s not surprising many are against TikTok as well tbh.
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Greed on Capitol Hill is not new and a huge problem. Big tech does need to get broken up. But are you trying to say TikTok and ByteDance and their backers are small corporations and mom and pop shops??
Scrutiny over ByteDance expanded further after the government took a 1% stake in its local subsidiary Beijing ByteDance Technology in 2019 that awarded the Chinese government a board seat at the subsidiary. https://www.inc.com/reuters/what-you-need-to-know-about-tiktoks-chinese-parent-company-bytedance.html
About 60% of ByteDance is owned by global institutional investors such as Carlyle Group, General Atlantic, and Susquehanna International Group,"
Wiki stuff:
Carlyle Group The Carlyle Group Inc. is a multinational private equity, alternative asset management and financial services corporation based in the United States with $376 billion of assets under management.
General Atlantic General Atlantic, legal main entity General Atlantic Service Company, L.P., is an American growth equity firm providing capital and strategic support for global growth companies, headquartered in New York, United States. The firm was founded in 1980 as the captive investment team for Atlantic Philanthropies, a philanthropic organization founded by Charles F. Feeney, the billionaire co-founder of Duty Free Shoppers Ltd.
Susquehanna International Group The firm invested $5 million into ByteDance, the parent company of TikTok, in 2012 when ByteDance was founded. As of 2020, its stake in ByteDance represented 15 percent of its fully-diluted capitalization table and was valued over $15 billion on paper.[9]
I don’t get your point. I’m against tech monopolies and I hate Google. I want Facebook to be split up and think that the current tech companies are way to powerful, see this video by Last Week Tonight. I use duckduckgo and try to avoid google services.
Lmao. How would you get the thought I wouldn’t have “looked into this”. That sounds like antivax level of arguments.
And this gives me the feeling I’m much better informed than you tbh.
Because no, what I wrote is factually correct, read for example this, this or this or just so many more articles, outlining detailed how TikTok censors content made by minorities, talking about the Uighur camps or so much more.
I feel like you can’t grasp the thought that someone knows how bad many tech companies are and still can see that content behind TikTok is at least as terrible. And what I’m writing isn’t any more boomer-like than what you write, you even use the same talking points but are just ignoring any of TikTok’s flaws.
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You should go back to school and learn not to behave like an obnoxious child.
Which corporation’s profits do you think banning TikTok is intended to protect?
Also, “boomer” is a specific group of people and applying that term to everyone who doesn’t agree with you makes it pretty damn silly and meaningless.
YouTube and Instagram have features that are in direct competition with TikTok. YouTube has even been more aggressive in promoting themselves as the TikTok alternative. On top of that the US government has an incentive to keep them (Google and Meta) happy; since the US routinely spies on its own (and other countries) citizens through these companies.
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If you weren’t a fucking fetus maybe you’d be intelligent enough not to offend everyone you interact with.
Oh fuck off ya prick.
I mean they’re literally just the guys who read about like, say, 4chan being bad, right, but then never actually use the site itself to see. I mean, yeah, if you go on /pol/ or /r9k/, and then scroll around for like 5 minutes, you can find some content that’s going to reinforce your bias that the site is kind of an ontologically evil fascist hellscape, but if you go on /mu/ it’s gonna be no more toxic than basically any other forum you could go on. It’s just people thoughtlessly parroting the narratives that they’ve heard from other people.
I don’t like tiktok, I don’t like lemmy, I kind of hate social media even though it’s like infested my life because I have no self control, but I’m not gonna be like. This is such an epic pog moment! I’m so pegged outta my gourd! when it gets banned. Because I’ve used it, thoroughly, not just first glance, and I actually understand the pros and cons of the platform. These guys don’t have that, they only have like, the white stale wonderbread and wood chips of social media usage, they only have reddit, and even more libbed up privacy reddit, i.e. the most obvious and in your face social media platforms of all time that give you (ostensibly, in practice, it’s the opposite) a very high amount of control over what they’re seeing. Of course they hate tiktok. On top of the brainrot privacy concerns they all probably have, they’re gonna discard it on the basis that they don’t have the self-control to use its platform, and project that onto everyone else. It’s like a puritan hating coffee, or cocaine, without understanding that it’s a great morning drink, or without understanding that it makes pro wrestling promos wayyyyy fucking better.
I used to go on /mu/, and yes, it’s unbelievably toxic. I’m glad I don’t use 4chan anymore.
And this was long before all the QAnon shit happened.
Really? I went on it like I wanna say two or three months ago and it wasn’t that bad. You had a couple troll threads, obviously, because (you)s and getting your thread bumped are what the platform incentivizes over anything else, but it didn’t seem that bad.
Wow people get so upset when you take away their soft core child porn.
You really live up to your username.
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I mean, you are disagreeing (even mocking), but not providing any argument. What did you expect?