• Rentlar@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    I think people should vote their conscience. I respect people who bothered to vote, even if it is for Kennedy, a third party, Abraham Lincoln or Hitler incarnate, or went to spoil their ballot. The ones that say it doesn’t matter and stay home is what I have a problem with.

    • Eldritch@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      I don’t and I’m all for voting your conscience. I’m also for voting solidarity and strategically. My conscience votes for making the outright fascist lose by as much as possible. And never standing a chance of winning.

      I live in a red state that Biden stands no chance of winning ever. But I will be damned if it’s close and I happen to be one of the chucklefucks that could have made a difference but didn’t. Because I felt it was more important to protest vote in one of the most useless elections to protest vote. A Presidential election.

      If you want to send one of the major parties a message start voting in state and local elections. Start filling their ranks with progressives socialist and communist. They will take notice. They will start appeasing them or risk losing their power.

      They can safely ignore each and every single presidential protest vote in the history of the United states. Because since the country’s founding. The structure of presidential elections have always put it outside the reach of all third parties everywhere. And even if the unthinkable happened. A third party candidate made it into the office of the president. They would be a lame duck for change. Unable to make a difference without any sort of coalition or party to back them. Bad presidential candidates is a symptom of a greater disease in the body politic. You don’t solve the problem by doing a little pruning at the top. Pruning the top won’t change the underlying structure. You have to go for the root of the problem so to speak.

      Each and every 3rd party or independent presidential candidate is either a grifter themselves or a tool for grifters. Jill Stein couldn’t win city dog catcher. Let alone president. The fact that every 4 years the money is there to run that moron for president. But the green party can’t be bothered to push candidates elsewhere. Where they might accidentally stand a chance of wining. That should tell you everything. There are thousands of state and local offices throughout middle America that Republicans run for and win unopposed. Almost as damming of Democrats as it is of every single other party in American politics.

      3rd party presidential candidates almost always guarantee a fascist/Republican win. Coupled with the fact that most people can’t be bothered to vote on non-presidential years for anything ever. It pretty much guarantees that nothing will ever change and the status quo will stay in place. It’s a pretty Insidious and ingenious system. The perfect political hamster wheel if you will. Designed to keep the public tiring itself out getting nowhere. Where those in power can just continue to get worse and worse with impunity. As we argue and fight amongst ourselves.

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        7 months ago

        Vote strategically, don’t vote strategically, I honestly don’t care. Even if your party has a 0% chance of winning I don’t care either. All I care is you cast your ballot in a way that you think is the best option, it shows you did something to advance your cause.

  • Barney@mas.to
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    7 months ago

    @mozz

    Then maybe he should shut up.

    This garbage that you’re posting is extremely offensive, @mozz. A national abortion ban would subject hundreds of millions of women to potential medical atrocities. Trump is promising to round up approximately ten million Latinos and send them to concentration camps.

    Ralph Nader, Mother Jones, and you are helping to make that happen.

    #politics #election #nader #greenparty