Brasilia, Aug 2 (EFE).- The war in Ukraine proves that the world needs a new system of global governance, Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva said Wednesday. In his first press conference with foreign journalists since he took office on January 1, Lula said the United Nations had failed to assume its “responsibility” because …
  • anytimesoon@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Especially given the fact that France tried talking Russia out of invading before the war and they still went ahead with it. So it’s not like the security council sat around and watched it happen.

    • Pili@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      What does that even mean? What was said during that meeting? What guarantees did France offer Russia?

      • Kata1yst@kbin.social
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        1 year ago

        Why did Russia need guarantees to NOT invade a sovereign nation they had existing “guarantees” to not invade?

        • albigu@lemmygrad.ml
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          1 year ago

          Maybe this

          It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.

          Or this

          Moreover, they went as far as aspire to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not let this happen.

          Might be some subjects in which guarantees would’ve averted the SMO.

          Source

            • albigu@lemmygrad.ml
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              1 year ago

              I mean, it’s the speech in which he lays out to his people why they’re going to war. He’d be hard pressed to justify the SMO to all the soldiers if they didn’t have all those well known grievances, don’t you think?

              Edit: wait, aren’t things government officials say not valid sources for what the government thinks or wants now? I’m having trouble wrapping my head around this one. Do you know of a valid-er source for what the Russian government and military wanted as guarantees to not have this war?

              • Kata1yst@kbin.social
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                1 year ago

                Well known grievances? I simply cannot agree with you there. Those are points for which we only have the Russian governments word, and dozens of denials from other governments across the globe.

                Not to mention, the reasoning for the war has changed dramatically over and over, from “stop the Nazis!” To “oh they were totally going to join NATO and attack us!!!” To “The security of Europe!” And now “they were gonna get nukes!”

                Never mind the fact that the Ukraine already gave up their nukes in exchange for Russia’s assurances they wouldn’t do exactly this. Or the fact that NATO obviously doesn’t need the Ukraine as members since Russia can’t even win a land war with a military a fraction of their size right across the border. Or any of the other facts Russia has bald faced lied about repeatedly.

                Given the above factors I find it highly unlikely Putin was looking for or interested in any diplomatic out. He was looking for an excuse.

                • MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  Not to mention, the reasoning for the war has changed dramatically

                  • Refuses to read Russia’s official justification for war
                  • Claims not only to know Russia’s justification, but that it’s repeatedly changed