I wish he’d do the right thing and drop out. It’s 2 months until the convention and there is a long list of people who are not trump. The bar is low and any D will do at this point
Biden shouldn’t drop out until a solid plan moving forward is established.
Do we even know if a Democrat can unify the party if he drops out? Or will the replacement be worse?
As I’ve pointed out in other topics: people need to start listing names, and I need to start seeing those names consolidate into one obvious choice. IMO, Newcom, Kamala and Buttigege are out as non-starters.
Kamalas best chance is for Biden to hold the election and then promise to resign on January 2025 for example. Which I’m not particularly against but y’all ignore the racism of Pennsylvania and Arizona voters at your own peril. Biden serves as a useful shield for Kamala in this instance.
Buttigege is worse. An openly gay man in this age where Don’t Say Gay is entering mainstream is a political mistake. Newcom is all sorts of compromised on both left and right issues.
Bernie is older, but sharp as ever. I know it’ll never happen though. The DNC would rather give it to trump, again
No kidding, if y’all put Bernie in as Democrat pick I’m voting fucking Trump.
The other ones (Kamala, Buttigege and Newcom) I might be fine with. But 100% Bernie is far left bullshit I for one am not putting up with. And no, we ain’t gonna go with an even older candidate who is far more extreme.
EDIT: I’m a Republican. You have me on some candidates. Newcom is… a stretch but I can imagine myself voting for him vs Trump, but not much else. Kamala and Buttigege I can be fine with but I don’t think they can win Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan.
Bernie? He’s too far left and very extreme in my eyes. Bernie (and his cohort of Occupy Wall Street dumbasses) don’t even understand how the world works, how families react to some of these policies or whatever. It’d be an instant and immediate loss for the Democrats. Sorry to say. He’s so far left I personally need to vote against that. You’re going too far.
Just curious, what far left bullshit?
The Dem party platform apparently…
But PUMA didn’t stop Obama either.
No matter how loud “moderates” get, they’re a very small voting block. They’re just overrepresented in party leadership
Man…
Sounds like the party should have let an open and fair primary happen…
Could have seen what Biden on a debate stage was like 6 months ago…
Voters could have had all sorts of time to evaluate possible paths forward…
Sounds like the party should have let an open and fair primary happen…
Its yall’s problem. I’m a Republican. I barely know the Democratic ticket.
But who did best in the Primaries anyway? Do you think they can seriously unify the party and make a strong anti-Trump candidate?
Its yall’s problem. I’m a Republican. I barely know the Democratic ticket
So…
You don’t know anything about what people are talking about here, by your own admission…
You’re just a Republican here to tell us no matter what Biden is the only option besides trump?
You’re just a Republican here to tell us no matter what Biden is the only option besides trump?
This is lemmy, yes.
I feel like the vast amount of “Biden supporters” online these days are just flat out republicans trying to make sure Biden is their worst case scenario…
It’s the only way any of this makes sense.
None of them can give any real reasons why Biden is the best candidate, they just keep repeating “it’s too late”.
I listed two options I think would work for me:
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Biden
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Kamala (using Biden as a shield)
Of course, #1 and #2 are basically identical. So the easiest thing for the Democrats to do is just lean into #2.
In any case, I think this discussion is still useful to have. Whoever you pick needs to win Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia like Biden did vs Trump. Do you know of any candidate who can perform similarly to Biden in these states?
You’re just a Republican here to tell us no matter what Biden is the only option besides trump?
I’m a Republican here wondering if yall actually have a plan, or if this is another one of those “Occupy Wall Street” situations where a bunch of Republicans get voted in a few months after yall’s temper tantrum. (Occupy Wall Street was 2011. And we all know how 2012, 2014, and 2016 went immediately afterwards).
For better or worse, you know you need me and my perspective on this matter. Lest you lose Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona and let Trump take the victory.
If yall Occupy Wall Street / kill your own political chances again this year because you got freaked out that Biden was acting as old as any 80+ year old would… okay, you deserve the loss that’s coming to you. But before you make an irreversible mistake, lets talk through this. I want Trump to lose as much as you do.
Note: I’m not necessarily against you changing candidates this late in the game. But I want to know what your overall plans are, and why you actually think that improves your political chances.
I listed two options I think would work for me
You also told me you’re a Republican and know nothing of the Democratic party or what its voters want…
So let me give you some advice, for Republican candidates I want:
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Boots Riley
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Optimus Prime.
For better or worse, you know you need me and my perspective on this matter. Lest you lose Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona and let Trump take the victory.
No we don’t.
Because Obama 08 didn’t need help from “moderate Dems” and he sure didn’t need help from Republicans.
The entire problem with the modern DNC is they ignore their base and chase Republicans.
Who will always say the DNC isn’t conservative enough.
It creates these feedback loop where the party gets more and more conservative leaving behind more and more of its own voters.
We can just leave you all behind, and give voters a candidate they like. A progressive candidate.
We can just leave you all behind, and give voters a candidate they like. A progressive candidate.
Okay. Name the candidate.
Except we both know you don’t have a name, and that’s why you’re going through this exercise of avoiding uncomfortable truths.
Go get that name, start pushing that name consistently, start saying [Insert Specific Name Here] is a better choice than Biden and MAYBE you have a chance.
But for now, you’re just giving Republicans in general a field day and a ton of joy by attacking Biden.
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His performance was poor enough that I’d argue he not only should step down as the candidate, he should step down as President and let Harris run the show for the rest of the year.
Like, it’s hard to make the call, but someone has to be the adult in the room and take Grandpa’s keys before his next trip to Country Kitchen Buffet.
Everybody wants to act like Biden isn’t driving down the interstate with our kids in the backseat.
It’s not enough that’s he’s not intentionally trying to get in a crash, he needs to be a safe driver. And we can’t just let Grandpa keep driving till he gets on the interstate via an exit ramp. We need to take his license before he kills anyone.
“The decision-makers are two people — it’s the president and his wife,” one of the sources familiar with the discussions said, adding: “Anyone who doesn’t understand how deeply personal and familial this decision will be isn’t knowledgeable about the situation.”
The DNC keeps saying it up to Biden…
Which is the exact opposite of what their lawyers have spent the last decade saying
We could have—and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right
The DNC can say Biden isn’t the best shot at beating trump, so they’re not going with Biden.
They just don’t want to.
They only want to pull the party right, never left.
Even if that means republicans win.
But this isnt just a “deeply personal and familial decision” it’s the fucking future of our country and it’s more important than Joe Biden
But one DNC lawyer’s argument actually tries to justify the party’s right to be biased on behalf of one primary candidate over another, according to an article from The Young Turks. In other words, they could have chosen their nominee over cigars in a backroom. That’s what the attorney reportedly said in a Florida federal court:
Do you have a more reliable source than “a laywer said”? Do you know which lawyer is alleged to have said it? Do you know if that lawyer is still working for the DNC? Have the DNC bylaws changed sine 2017 when this quote is alleged to be from?
You’re making a lot of assumptions based on a poorly sourced anonymous quote from 7 years ago.
They may be referring to the Wilding v. DNC Services Corp case. DNC lawyers argued that they could overturn the democratic results of the primary if they so choose.
The DNC won that case.
To clarify, that case was thrown out becuase plaintiffs lacked standing. I guess that counts as the DNC winning?
In Wilding v DNC:
Plaintiffs filed a putative class action alleging that during the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries the DNC and its chairwoman improperly tipped the scales in favor of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was challenging Senator Bernie Sanders for the Democratic presidential nomination.
This website reports a similar quote about replacing candidates though with more context:
[I]f you had a charity where somebody said, Hey, I’m gonna take this money and use it for a specific purpose, X, and they pocketed it and stole the money, of course that’s different. But here, where you have a party that’s saying, We’re gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer, and we’re gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are voluntarily deciding, we could have — and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right, and it would drag the Court well into party politics, internal party politics to answer those questions." - DNC attorney Bruce Spiva
That isn’t the entire quote and it seems to be missing some important context. The link to the transcript is dead unfortunately.
Even if that is the complete context:
- I don’t know if what Spiva is saying is legally true. As the Trump trial has shown us just because a lawyer argues something in court does not mean it’s true or legal.
- Assuming what Spiva is saying was true then and is still true now, he also says “And that would have also been their right, and it would drag the Court well into party politics, internal party politics to answer those questions.” I’m not 100% sure what this means because of the missing context, but it seems to imply simply picking the candidate in a cigar filled room would have brought legal trouble to the DNC.
It’s still not clear the DNC can unilaterally replace Biden as the candidate without his consent. If they did it would open a whole host of new problems, the least of which is how do the pick the new nominee now that nearly all states have already held their primaries.
Saying “it’s a simple thing that has to happen, just do it DNC” is just blatant misinformation.
Also, Spiva appears to no longer work for the DNC. It isn’t clear if their current counsel holds the same opinion.
