I mean, to be fair to those folks, as they are citizens it’s highly unlikely that even that guy could get them all deported.
For all his talk on ‘remigration’ he doesn’t seem to have any more of a real plan on this than on healthcare.
I’ve already expressed my opinion elsewhere (but to reiterate - they should follow the example of Uncommitted and vote in a way to keep the GOP candidate from winning while declining to endorse Harris). The best hope here is that they are voting in the polls for Stein to show their displeasure with Harris but they’ll be more strategic at the ballot bot.
The thing is, in normal times it’s perfectly fine to withhold your vote or use it as a protest vote when you don’t like any of the likely candidates - while knowing that regardless our democratic institutions will be safe and sound and continue to carry on the day.
But at the same time, I’m reminded about Brexit. In particular,
some publicly admitted they intended to use a “protest vote” in the belief the UK was certain to remain in the European Union.
I mean, to be fair to those folks, as they are citizens it’s highly unlikely that even that guy could get them all deported.
Our Supreme Court just gave him a free ticket to do whatever the hell he wants, as long as it can be traced back to his official capacity. The only check on this is impeachment, which fails as long as 34 Senators are on his side.
Health Care was a bugaboo for him because he needed to get Congress to go along, and those people still need to win their own elections. But he would have all the things he needs to deport all the people he doesn’t like, without Congress: a pen to write Executive Orders, a Corps of Engineers to build camps, a complacent Judiciary, and a total lack of a conscience.
Our Supreme Court just gave him a free ticket to do whatever the hell he wants, as long as it can be traced back to his official capacity.
Keep in mind though, this is in reference to him being eligible to be criminally charged or civilly sued. In other words, this just prevents him from getting personally punished for it. But it doesn’t give him any new powers.
Health Care was a bugaboo for him because he needed to get Congress to go along, and those people still need to win their own elections.
This predates the SC case you are referring to but it’s the perfect example. If he got reelected he couldn’t just decree the end of the ACA/Obamacare. He couldn’t be punished for not following the rules but he’d still need others to go along with it to make any effective change here.
Also remember - when his “muslim ban” was first put into place, judges were effective in blocking it. Only after he changed it to a more palatable form did the SC approve it and allow it to be enforced. (One of those changes? Allowing dual citizens and green card holders.)
But he would have all the things he needs to deport all the people he doesn’t like, without Congress: a pen to write Executive Orders, a Corps of Engineers to build camps, a complacent Judiciary, and a total lack of a conscience.
I think the part we disagree on here is the “complacent judiciary” bit. I wouldn’t say that’s not true - but allowing deportation of natural born citizens with no other citizenship would be a tough swallow even for the current SC.
(Normally, there’d be another headache here - if successfully stripped of citizenship, these folks would have no other, so they’d have no country to be deported to. But I think you addressed that in your response - presumably his plan would be that they’d just be kept in interment camps build by the Engineering Corps until some country takes pity and accepted them, or until they die.)
I mean, to be fair to those folks, as they are citizens it’s highly unlikely that even that guy could get them all deported.
For all his talk on ‘remigration’ he doesn’t seem to have any more of a real plan on this than on healthcare.
I’ve already expressed my opinion elsewhere (but to reiterate - they should follow the example of Uncommitted and vote in a way to keep the GOP candidate from winning while declining to endorse Harris). The best hope here is that they are voting in the polls for Stein to show their displeasure with Harris but they’ll be more strategic at the ballot bot.
The thing is, in normal times it’s perfectly fine to withhold your vote or use it as a protest vote when you don’t like any of the likely candidates - while knowing that regardless our democratic institutions will be safe and sound and continue to carry on the day.
But at the same time, I’m reminded about Brexit. In particular,
Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html
Our Supreme Court just gave him a free ticket to do whatever the hell he wants, as long as it can be traced back to his official capacity. The only check on this is impeachment, which fails as long as 34 Senators are on his side.
Health Care was a bugaboo for him because he needed to get Congress to go along, and those people still need to win their own elections. But he would have all the things he needs to deport all the people he doesn’t like, without Congress: a pen to write Executive Orders, a Corps of Engineers to build camps, a complacent Judiciary, and a total lack of a conscience.
Keep in mind though, this is in reference to him being eligible to be criminally charged or civilly sued. In other words, this just prevents him from getting personally punished for it. But it doesn’t give him any new powers.
This predates the SC case you are referring to but it’s the perfect example. If he got reelected he couldn’t just decree the end of the ACA/Obamacare. He couldn’t be punished for not following the rules but he’d still need others to go along with it to make any effective change here.
Also remember - when his “muslim ban” was first put into place, judges were effective in blocking it. Only after he changed it to a more palatable form did the SC approve it and allow it to be enforced. (One of those changes? Allowing dual citizens and green card holders.)
I think the part we disagree on here is the “complacent judiciary” bit. I wouldn’t say that’s not true - but allowing deportation of natural born citizens with no other citizenship would be a tough swallow even for the current SC.
(Normally, there’d be another headache here - if successfully stripped of citizenship, these folks would have no other, so they’d have no country to be deported to. But I think you addressed that in your response - presumably his plan would be that they’d just be kept in interment camps build by the Engineering Corps until some country takes pity and accepted them, or until they die.)