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    He’s the internally appointed CEO of a cult persuading people to believe that ghosts are real. The blessing of same-sex couples is a stunt the catholic church pulled to save face in 21st century, their different treatment of homosexual couples still speak loud about their cult homophobia.

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      You are hard pressed to be more of an atheist than I am.

      You expect dogma to be nullified with a snap of finger? Even more when that same dogma is taken from the book on which the creed is built upon?

      As if people require any sort of excuse to shun and persecute those who are different.

      I find it more important countries to codify into law the right for anyone, regardless gender or sexual orientation, to enjoy the same rights, including marriage if so they choose but like it or not, a man forcing that small change into a monolithic, organized, religion is something to be recognized.

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        You expect dogma to be nullified with a snap of finger?

        I expect homophobic cult leaders to be called out for what they are and not praised or defended

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          Then start by the first line priests.

          Those can be some of the worst individuals in the church, and some of the best, at the same time.

          There are incredibly forward thinking, humanist and humane individuals acting as local parish priests, individuals that entered the ranks for personal calling and devotion, doing their best to push back on backwards thought and belief on “pious” communities. Those should garner wide support, when it is the exact opposite that happens, with usually the most reprobate and closed minded individuals being seen as “good” priest and thus rising in the ranks, to keep the status quo, one generation after the other.

          Institutions are made of people. That man did little but achieved something to move the creed in a better direction. Most just tend to small affairs or outright go for even more dogmatic understandings of outdated subjects, which by itself drives away more people.

          Now that I think about it, as reading or being knowledgeable of what any “holy” book holds is the best way to create atheists, maybe those are doing the best job.

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            Even the “best” individuals in the catholic church are still the members of a homophobic and misogynist cult persuading people to believe that ghosts are real. catholic church bending and changing its own sacred holy laws as it suit them is more proof of their bullshits.

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              There is being atheist and there is being anti-theist.

              The way you express yourself, it seems you lean more into the second. Which I find intriguing because in order to be anti-theist, you first need to give any value to the theist claims.

              As you do seem very invested in supporting and uplifting those that are wronged by a creed, why do you opt to attack any and all believer, by default, instead of trying to find people that share your exact concerns?

              It doesn’t matter if someone takes Santa Claus, the Krampus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy as real or if they hold the hope of meeting again their loved ones after they die. People are here, today, living, breathing, suffering.

              The bending and changing of those same “holy” precepts is what allows people to diverge abd evolve the way they understand others and the world.

              Anti-theism fell out of favour in the 2010’s. Too much vitriol. Reason does not cancel hope and dreams but it should cancel hollow arguments, including those reason itself raises.

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                If there was a pinned post about Santa Claus disciple passing i would express my concerns about the Santa Claus cult, especially if the cultist were known to be bigots involved in abuse scandals.

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                  That’s Easter. But since you mention it, there was a time when coal was to be given to the bad kids, which by default were all the non-white and not poor kids.

                  Bigoted enough for you? I grew up still listening echos of that shit.