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The U.S. expects Ukraine’s response Wednesday to a peace framework that includes U.S. recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and unofficial recognition of Russian control of nearly all areas occupied since the 2022 invasion, sources with direct knowledge of the proposal tell Axios.
What Russia gets under Trump’s proposal:
- “De jure” U.S. recognition of Russian control in Crimea.
- “De-facto recognition” of the Russia’s occupation of nearly all of Luhansk oblast and the occupied portions of Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.
- A promise that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. The text notes that Ukraine could become part of the European Union.
- The lifting of sanctions imposed since 2014.
- Enhanced economic cooperation with the U.S., particularly in the energy and industrial sectors.
What Ukraine gets under Trump’s proposal:
- “A robust security guarantee” involving an ad hoc group of European countries and potentially also like-minded non-European countries. The document is vague in terms of how this peacekeeping operation would function and does not mention any U.S. participation.
- The return of the small part of Kharkiv oblast Russia has occupied.
- Unimpeded passage of the Dnieper River, which runs along the front line in parts of southern Ukraine.
- Compensation and assistance for rebuilding, though the document does not say where the funding will come from.
Whole article is worth a read, as it’s quite short/dense as Axios usually is. For those outside the US, this is an outlet that’s been well sourced in Washington for years.
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I’m pissed off by all this, it’s unbelievable, and the worst part is that the American damn people elected this moron as president… it’s a damn disaster.
So the US security guarantee is that the EU, which is not involved in the negotiations, is providing security guarantees. So even if Ukraine excepts, the EU would also have to except or Ukraine has, as in previous negotiations made by the republican administration, nothing.
First they say that Europe shouldn’t interfere, then they say that Europe should give guarantees… I have no damn words, it’s ridiculous.
I actually think I hate Trump more than anything else in existence.
Basically, the Trump Administration is approving the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Enough said.
Trump never had any intention of actually helping Ukraine. Sorry about my government. I’m very ashamed of what we’ve become.
You give up: basically everything Russia wants
You get: essentially fuck all
Hilarious
Ukraine will turn down the offer. Zero doubt.
No shit, because it’s not a offer, it’s a piece of shit.
Also I would add that a quick turn down is exactly what certain factions want. A sort of “Ukraine is a hysterical warmonger, told ya, pull the US out.”
I think being aggressively nuanced is pragmatic for Ukraine. Call the US out for crystal clear clarification, quickly and loudly. If we can’t articulate that, then it makes us (the US) look dumb to the rest of the world. If we can, then it’s either significant US commitment, or a tear through the facade.
The key is calling it out before Trump takes over the narrative and this is painted as a gift to Ukraine.
The US already looks very very dumb.
- Rest of the world
How stupid Russia broke the last cease fire or ignored it, and they got nothing from Trump.
Probably.
First, maybe they’ll ask for clarification on the security guarantee and reconstruction. It sounds like the US put that on Europe without Europe’s input or any real guarantees.
