Students can keep a phone in their bag if they really need it. The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.
When I was in school smartphones were kinda a thing but it was still early iPhone/Android days. The general practice was a powered off phone on one’s person is fine, but phones that are in use/ringing could be confiscated for the remainder of the period. I think that was because the school didn’t have a good method to handle too many confiscated phones in a day
I’ve been out of school for a decade now, but honestly at least when I was playing Hill Climb Racing, I shut the fuck up and didn’t disturb others. Otherwise I’d just be blabbering with my friends and that’s a much bigger issue for other students.
I graduated with pretty much all 5s and just one or two 4s. Our scale goes up to 5. So it’s not like I was a dumbass who just refused to learn. You just can’t give a fast learner with ADHD the textbook and expect him to not know all of the course material a week in. It’s changed now, but my teenage brain was capable of processing enormous amounts of new information really fast (except subjects that were straight up memorization of facts, like history). I had literally nothing to do in class after the first week or 2 of a course.
My kids school “boxes” phones if you’re caught using them or they interrupt class. They lock them inside a clear plastic case and let you carry that.
This avoids liability because the kid still has possession of their phone and can still see an emergency text or call. The can’t interact with the phone but can get a teacher to unlock if there’s a visible emergency text
It’s a huge liability issue - I guarantee every large high school in the nation has a group chat where nudes are shared.
Children should not have unsupervised internet access. It’s insane we went from the “family computer in the living room” model to 6 year olds watching porn on their iPad in the backseat of a car.
During my final, I had two students start to scream at me (like cussing me out - genuinely felt unsafe.)
I kicked them out to try to continue the final. 15 minutes later, the principal escorted them back to my room to lecture me.
The district had been sued for suspending too many students, so they just stopped imposing consequences. (One of those same students left my classroom at a point in the year to go beat up another student in the bathroom as part of a gang initiation - they got a single day of suspension.)
That’s the policy at most schools. Actually enforcing that in the face of a classroom of kids who don’t respect the rule? That’s a much bigger problem. They’re a lot more clever at sneaking them out than you would think. Moreover, if the phones are just feet from them, their presence is never out of mind. They’re a constant distraction even in a bag. Phone apps are literally designed to be addictive. Imagine if we had a rule that said “crack pipes are fine in your bag. As long as you don’t take them out and smoke in class, you’re fine.” Even if we lived in a world where crack somehow was legal for minors to have, how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?
Many kids recently have been carrying around an addictive and dangerous chemical called dihydrogen monoxide in their bags. The temptation to have a “sip”, as the youth call dosing on the drug, can often be overpowering. Please sign this petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide in schools
Yeah, I really don’t understand what changed or why. By the time I was in high school, pretty much everyone had a cell phone, but they’d get confiscated if they went off in class or we were caught using them during school hours, and that included all break periods. I remember a teacher threatening to take my phone away when I was using my phone to call my dad for a ride home after I had finished my exams for the day. For high school kids, I could see arguments on both sides for whether they should be allowed during breaks, but definitely not during class periods.
Things were a little more flexible in college, but they were still expected to be silent, and some professors would ask you to leave the class if your phone went off or was otherwise causing a distraction.
Dang I’m in college right now and in highschool most teachers didn’t mind you looking at your phone in class. In college the profs don’t even react to people taking calls in class.
In college you’re all adults who are there by choice to learn. But also many students are fresh out of highschool so it’s a fine line colleges have to walk between respecting ones rights and keeping the student body in order (and not letting the bad decisions of individuals become the reputation of the institution)
Adults can make a decision about if a phone call is important or not, if they need to dip out early or not, etc.
But yeah it’s kinda wild the hard shift in responsibility from being a minor to being an adult and ideally there’d be better transition for kids as they cross that threshold
The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.
I’ve never actually seen a classroom where this was the case. (aside from after work was completed, sort of as a reward for finishing their assignments on time) Most teachers will immediately tell students to put the phone away and will confiscate it if they keep trying to use it.
When they’re talking about phone bans, they’re usually meaning things like taking phones away at the front and returning them at the end of the day, or requiring students to leave them in lockers/locked pouches.
Well, I did. And I am in one. Most teachers don’t care about it. Technically the current principal banned them, but only one teacher told us, and it was a pretty sarcastic “I am supposed to tell you that you aren’t allowed to use phones during classes anymore.”
Anyway, they got partially integrated. There’s an online school system we are supposed to use, and teachers often send us study materials there, including during classes. At one point we even took online exams (physically at school) and most used phones for that too (I prefer a desktop if I can use that).
Basically it became an expectation. “Look this up, take a picture of this, open what I sent you, send me this, confirm that,…”
But yeah, anyway, most exams are probably AI-written nowadays. This is known, and not particularly discouraged. Well, one teacher even told us we’ll be given computers with internet access on (part of the) graduation exams, and shown us how we can just copy-paste it to and from ChatGPT. And that was true.
But hey, we also often have classes of absolutely nothing that you just have to wait out.
The level of Slovakian education is setting the bar so low it clipped through the ground.
How do you know this is the US, rather than UK, AU, NZ or a British school in the EU?
EDIT: Looked at the original file linked here in the comments, and it makes reference to “HCPSS”, which according to a Google search means this is in Maryland. Your assumption seems to have been correct!
A.cops don’t do shit
B. There’s still a phone in every room anyways not every kid needs one.
You don’t need your kid to have a computer in their pocket everyday just in the unlikely occasion a school shooting is happening in which case they can still just use the school phone…
Students, we must all line up to call your parents before your untimely demise in an orderly fashion. You may only have a few seconds to say your last words each. Timmy, no, you cannot call your grandparents too, we only have one phone and we must be sure every student gets a chance.
The same logic used to have nuclear drills where you get under the desks. It’s ineffective, does nothing, and will change nothing. It only serves for helicopter parents to feel better about themselves. As their kids brains rot away
Yes, and when there’s no downside, that’s fine. There’s plenty of downsides to allowing kids to use smartphones. If the actual and serious concern was for their children, they could give their children dumb phones instead.
Also no, it wouldn’t’ve been effective for any nuclear weapons?
Banning cell phones in school while school shootings are a regular occurrence is top tier decision making
School shootings kill some, but smartphones destroy entire generations.
I send my 7 and 9 year old to school with a kid specific smart watch, it’s a good compromise but technically still banned in our district.
We should ban phones for kids under 16 OUTSIDE of school
They said guns are banned from school, they have done everything they can. Just need to live with school and CEO shootings
I’m ok with CEO shootings, but most kids havent lived long enough to do anything to deserve that.
Most kids? (⊙_⊙)
CEOs. Biggest infants.
Students can keep a phone in their bag if they really need it. The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.
When I was in school smartphones were kinda a thing but it was still early iPhone/Android days. The general practice was a powered off phone on one’s person is fine, but phones that are in use/ringing could be confiscated for the remainder of the period. I think that was because the school didn’t have a good method to handle too many confiscated phones in a day
I think the fact that most commenters seem to think kids should use cell phones in class confirms Lemmy is mostly children
I haven’t been to school in a while, but we had smartphones when I did. And if we took up our phones in class we got called out by the teacher.
I’ve been out of school for a decade now, but honestly at least when I was playing Hill Climb Racing, I shut the fuck up and didn’t disturb others. Otherwise I’d just be blabbering with my friends and that’s a much bigger issue for other students.
I graduated with pretty much all 5s and just one or two 4s. Our scale goes up to 5. So it’s not like I was a dumbass who just refused to learn. You just can’t give a fast learner with ADHD the textbook and expect him to not know all of the course material a week in. It’s changed now, but my teenage brain was capable of processing enormous amounts of new information really fast (except subjects that were straight up memorization of facts, like history). I had literally nothing to do in class after the first week or 2 of a course.
My kids school “boxes” phones if you’re caught using them or they interrupt class. They lock them inside a clear plastic case and let you carry that.
This avoids liability because the kid still has possession of their phone and can still see an emergency text or call. The can’t interact with the phone but can get a teacher to unlock if there’s a visible emergency text
What teacher allows kids to use their phones during class?
Teachers are hamstrung by administration.
“You can’t write up a kid for watching tiktoks in class, you have to call their parent.”
“Okay what if the parent doesn’t answer/doesn’t care?”
“You can ask the kid to put it away.”
“What if they won’t? Can I take it away? Can I kick them out if they’re watching porn on full volume?”
“Nope.”
If not allowing phones during class doesnt work, why would kids stop using phones during class by banning phones during breaks?
They shouldn’t have them at all.
It’s a huge liability issue - I guarantee every large high school in the nation has a group chat where nudes are shared.
Children should not have unsupervised internet access. It’s insane we went from the “family computer in the living room” model to 6 year olds watching porn on their iPad in the backseat of a car.
Why can’t they be kicked out?
During my final, I had two students start to scream at me (like cussing me out - genuinely felt unsafe.)
I kicked them out to try to continue the final. 15 minutes later, the principal escorted them back to my room to lecture me.
The district had been sued for suspending too many students, so they just stopped imposing consequences. (One of those same students left my classroom at a point in the year to go beat up another student in the bathroom as part of a gang initiation - they got a single day of suspension.)
“It’s fine if it’s in a bag and off or silent” has been cell phone policy in my experience (decades ago).
That’s the policy at most schools. Actually enforcing that in the face of a classroom of kids who don’t respect the rule? That’s a much bigger problem. They’re a lot more clever at sneaking them out than you would think. Moreover, if the phones are just feet from them, their presence is never out of mind. They’re a constant distraction even in a bag. Phone apps are literally designed to be addictive. Imagine if we had a rule that said “crack pipes are fine in your bag. As long as you don’t take them out and smoke in class, you’re fine.” Even if we lived in a world where crack somehow was legal for minors to have, how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?
Many kids recently have been carrying around an addictive and dangerous chemical called dihydrogen monoxide in their bags. The temptation to have a “sip”, as the youth call dosing on the drug, can often be overpowering. Please sign this petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide in schools
When I was a kid, it was forbidden to peruse DHMO during class, regardless how bad the withdrawal symptoms were.
Easy. Keep some crack shots handy.
Crack open ⇒ Crack shot
Yeah, I really don’t understand what changed or why. By the time I was in high school, pretty much everyone had a cell phone, but they’d get confiscated if they went off in class or we were caught using them during school hours, and that included all break periods. I remember a teacher threatening to take my phone away when I was using my phone to call my dad for a ride home after I had finished my exams for the day. For high school kids, I could see arguments on both sides for whether they should be allowed during breaks, but definitely not during class periods.
Things were a little more flexible in college, but they were still expected to be silent, and some professors would ask you to leave the class if your phone went off or was otherwise causing a distraction.
Dang I’m in college right now and in highschool most teachers didn’t mind you looking at your phone in class. In college the profs don’t even react to people taking calls in class.
In college you’re all adults who are there by choice to learn. But also many students are fresh out of highschool so it’s a fine line colleges have to walk between respecting ones rights and keeping the student body in order (and not letting the bad decisions of individuals become the reputation of the institution)
Adults can make a decision about if a phone call is important or not, if they need to dip out early or not, etc.
But yeah it’s kinda wild the hard shift in responsibility from being a minor to being an adult and ideally there’d be better transition for kids as they cross that threshold
I’ve never actually seen a classroom where this was the case. (aside from after work was completed, sort of as a reward for finishing their assignments on time) Most teachers will immediately tell students to put the phone away and will confiscate it if they keep trying to use it.
When they’re talking about phone bans, they’re usually meaning things like taking phones away at the front and returning them at the end of the day, or requiring students to leave them in lockers/locked pouches.
Well, I did. And I am in one. Most teachers don’t care about it. Technically the current principal banned them, but only one teacher told us, and it was a pretty sarcastic “I am supposed to tell you that you aren’t allowed to use phones during classes anymore.”
Anyway, they got partially integrated. There’s an online school system we are supposed to use, and teachers often send us study materials there, including during classes. At one point we even took online exams (physically at school) and most used phones for that too (I prefer a desktop if I can use that).
Basically it became an expectation. “Look this up, take a picture of this, open what I sent you, send me this, confirm that,…”
But yeah, anyway, most exams are probably AI-written nowadays. This is known, and not particularly discouraged. Well, one teacher even told us we’ll be given computers with internet access on (part of the) graduation exams, and shown us how we can just copy-paste it to and from ChatGPT. And that was true.
But hey, we also often have classes of absolutely nothing that you just have to wait out.
The level of Slovakian education is setting the bar so low it clipped through the ground.
How do you know this is the US, rather than UK, AU, NZ or a British school in the EU?
EDIT: Looked at the original file linked here in the comments, and it makes reference to “HCPSS”, which according to a Google search means this is in Maryland. Your assumption seems to have been correct!
Remind me, where in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand does Verizon operate?
I missed the mention of Verizon. Good catch!
This isn’t a one or the other situation weirdo
Quick! Someone call for help! Oh that’s right
This may shock you, but guns are banned more often than phones in school, and the bans are more severe as are the consequences.
The phone bans I have seen always allow phones in pockets and bags, just not out casually.
That’s the stupidest logic that I hear repeated.
A.cops don’t do shit B. There’s still a phone in every room anyways not every kid needs one.
You don’t need your kid to have a computer in their pocket everyday just in the unlikely occasion a school shooting is happening in which case they can still just use the school phone…
Ah yes!
Students, we must all line up to call your parents before your untimely demise in an orderly fashion. You may only have a few seconds to say your last words each. Timmy, no, you cannot call your grandparents too, we only have one phone and we must be sure every student gets a chance.
The same logic used to have nuclear drills where you get under the desks. It’s ineffective, does nothing, and will change nothing. It only serves for helicopter parents to feel better about themselves. As their kids brains rot away
I mean in a situation where you truly can do nothing, giving the masses something to do at least makes them feel slightly less powerless
Also duck and cover would have been effective for some of the earliest nuclear bombs, just not the ones developed a few years later
Yes, and when there’s no downside, that’s fine. There’s plenty of downsides to allowing kids to use smartphones. If the actual and serious concern was for their children, they could give their children dumb phones instead.
Also no, it wouldn’t’ve been effective for any nuclear weapons?