• ObtuseDoorFrame@lemm.ee
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    8 days ago

    They are polluting on our behalf. Saying it’s entirely their fault is like blaming China for plastic pollution. They are producing that plastic for the world.

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      8 days ago

      on our behalf

      Show me where they give us OUR part of the profits, if not I’m going with greed.

      • LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe
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        8 days ago

        If you don’t personally benefit from pollution, then junk your ICE, never eat meat again, and stop buying plastic crap.

        (You should do all those things anyway, but I’m making a point here)

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          8 days ago

          “and yet you participate in society, hm, curious”. You’re doing the meme, my man. You’re doing the entire meme that is also making a point.

          • LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe
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            7 days ago

            You should move to a mixed use walkable neighbourhood.

            You should learn more vegan recipes.

            You should buy durable goods and learn how to maintain them.

            Doing these things will make your life better in many ways. And you’re going to have to do them anyway after the revolution comes and bans oil and habitat destruction.

            And I don’t want to hear the poverty argument. Rice, beans, pasta, bread, and potatoes are the cheapest foods. Not meat. Get your protein from legumes and your B12 from tablets, it’s cheaper. I bought a sewing kit for 3 dollars and hair scissors for 7. Now I buy less clothes and no haircuts.

            The lifestyle of fast cars, red meat, and cheap junk is convenient and fun, it’s not responsible. Choose responsibility. Don’t pay oil barons thousands of dollars for garbage you don’t need.

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              7 days ago

              How about other meat like chickens? I raise my own and kill them when they get old. I feel pretty vindicated in that my little system is pretty sustainable. I do sometimes supplement it with store chicken, but try to go for locally sourced meat when I do.

              • LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe
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                7 days ago

                You buy chicken feed?

                That chicken feed grown on farmland that used to be woodland and is now sprayed with pesticides to increase yield?

                Is it shipped to the store on diesel trucks?

                I don’t want to judge you, this isn’t about any one person. It’s about how all of us are part of the system. We all benefit and we all suffer from it. No ethical consumption under capitalism.

                I joined this conversation replying to someone who said they don’t benefit from the capitalist pollution system. They do, I do, you do. None of us is independent.

                Sooner or later we’re going to have to give up these capitalist luxuries. Only then can we experience the riches of socialism. They won’t be the same riches. We’re going to need to change.

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                  7 days ago

                  We were buying feed, but we are working on a formula for a mash-feed based off grain and grass we grow. I know it is just an example of the larger problem you mentioned we are all living through, but all of us can refuse to partake by buying second hand and growing what we can ourselves. Small animals are a very effective source of protein and don’t have nearly the same carbon footprint that beef or pork has. Just here to offer a different perspective on the issue we both see/acknowledge.