Car companies like Honda, BMW, and Hyundai are banding together to build an EV-charging network bigger than Tesla’s Supercharger empire::Tesla has been building out its Supercharger network for over a decade. Now legacy car companies are taking a page from Elon Musk’s playbook.
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Agreed. Only took the EU a couple decades to tell cellphone manufacturers (Apple) to use a standard plug.
To be fair, it’s been far less than a decade since a non shitty standard plug came out.
to be fair, they did quite well with micro-USB
Who uses a charger other than type2/ccs nowadays?
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Cool, as long as everyone settles on something decent.
The industry is coalescing around Tesla’s plug, which they put up for public adoption as the North American Charging Standard.
Also I want to be able to pay via a credit card and not deal with half a dozen different apps and we are all golden.
Tesla isn’t going to sacrifice their ascetic to put card readers and screens on everything. Plus, they would probably save maybe $50 per station
I would love that but I just don’t think it will ever happen. It is just not high tech enough.
Yeh it is. They just closed source.
I have read that Tesla opened up their charger. Every article I read made it sound like it is no longer proprietary to Tesla
Android uses USB c and Apple uses lightning. We’re on for a long one.
For 6 months until apple use usb c
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Honestly I’m surprised companies like Exxon, BP, and Chevron aren’t opening charging stations under shell companies with new brand names.
Most of the time they don’t own the actual gas stations, they’d need to get their franchisees to do it and invest in it.
Shell is their competitor so it wouldn’t make sense to do it under their companies for these guys
I think they ment shell companies as in companies they own. E.g. Exxon create a company called ElectricCo and ElectricCo charging stations are what customers see.
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Wait… Honda? Do they even have an EV?
They had the prototype EvPlus and then the Fit EV and Clarity EV (which did CCS DCFC) available on lease only. The Clarity FCEV had ChaDeMo in Japan. And also the Honda E
Honda’s first EV is going to be made by GM using GM’s Ultium platform.
In North America no. They did have the Honda E for a bit but I believe that’s being killed off now. Great car but outrageous pricing for what you get.
Yes they do. Honda E and it’s small and fantastic
They’re supposed to have some next year.
Seems like this should have happened like 2 years ago.
The industry depended on VW’s network and as usual VW shows us how incompetent they are.
one would argue that VW actually building a network made them more competent than most of the others…
It was forced to build it because of Dieselgate.
This has got to be the death knell for Tesla, right? They used to be the only game in town if you wanted an EV with a long range and a design that looks like a regular car, but that hasn’t been the case for the last few years. The only real selling point they have now is the robust network of charging stations, and if that advantage goes away, there is literally no reason to buy a Tesla vehicle instead of a comparably priced EV from a traditional car company.
Correct. Tesla will get destroyed in the future when other car companies have fully stepped up. Nobody is buying a shitty made Tesla over BMW or Mercedes or even Hyundai or Kia at this point. The Hyundai iconic 5 N and Kia ev6 or gt6 slaps Tesla In build quality and performance to boot.
Assuming that consumers will be rational is a bit premature.
Tesla wants to position itself as the Apple of cars, and it’s largely succeeded. Most techies or people more in the know might be quick to dismiss them, but I don’t think that’s the opinion shared by the public at large.
There’s still a wait time for pretty much any new Tesla
Exactly. I don’t need a new car now, but when I do in a few years, it’ll definitely be an EV (I have solar panels on my roof, so it’s a total no-brainer). Five years ago, it would’ve been a Tesla, but now, that Mustang Mach looks awfully compelling.
As a Tesla owner myself, that’s mostly how I feel. The only thing I would add from my experience with my current EV is that their driver assist and auto steer are still better than most other car companies but not by much at this point, their integration with the car and the charging network makes long trips easier, and I feel the build quality is pretty bad still.
If there are enough chargers using CCS stations across the continent then Tesla then my next EV will not be Tesla.
you know elon is gonna post an Invincible meme about this
They will still be using the Tesla plug, so he already won not having to change out the existing network plugs.
The cords are too short for most non-Tesla vehicles and I don’t believe all stations can speak CCS, so they will still have to do some updates
The placement is also specifically optimised for Tesla vehicles, so they would need to change things up to accommodate non-Tesla ones.
It should be a national standard and thats that. Also cash options to charge. Why do we have a standardized sizes for gas and diesel nozzles but not w/ electric?
Great if it happens, but not holding my breath.
Eh, this doesn’t seem like a pipe dream, or even unlikely. It’s in every EV manufacturer’s best interest for there to be a big network of charging stations with universal compatibility.
I mean, will it happen eventually? Yeah, no doubt. But could it take 15 years? Also yes…
Just turn every highway into a giant Scalextric (slot car?) track and be done with it.
Ok, but I want more public transportation and rail. Thanks.
Edit: or at least just give me a robust charging network and then make an EV version of the Dacia Sandera without all the fancy lane departure, self adjusting cruise control or any other sophisticated nonesense, thanks.
Wake me up when hydrogen comes.
You are 10% hydrogen already.
last paragraph: The stations will offer both major charging plugs: The CCS standard that most automakers have used, along with Tesla’s NACS plug that’s gaining popularity in the industry. "
because NACS is actually better system. brand loyalty is silly. competition for all EVs is good for all EVs. it drives better than I can alone. pay extra to stay bleeding edge. not perfection but almost
Pretty ridiculous to have multiple standards for this anyway. Imagine if you had to hunt down a gas station that served whatever proprietary fuel you needed.
That’s early adopter pain for you. In Europe there is one standard, and in the US, we’re getting there. Yes it’ll be a pain for a while that people with CCS ports will need to use adapters at NACS chargers and vice versa, but we’re settling on the underlying CCS technology being the standard, so it’ll just be a matter of connector. Much better than the three standards we had very recently (add chademo)
As someone who used to drive a diesel Jetta, I can confirm it was a pain in the ass.
Also cars that require higher octane can be slightly harder to find.
Ah, the Hulu strat.
