Why should a full-time employer be permitted to pay an employee less than it costs to merely survive? It’s like you WANT to live in a culture where humans are exploited and thrown away when they break.
Edit: NVM, I see from the rest of the thread that you are not participating in good faith, and your responses will be blocked from reaching me.
Fulltime employment is not consistently defined across the board. Both of you may be right depending on which country or state you live in. Generally, in the US, full time employment is considered 40hrs of work per week, and has nothing to do with hourly or salary pay.
Fulltime is typically defined as 40 hours a week max, but the threshold is lower for definitions like the ACA, you can be eligible as low as 30, and sometimes employers have to make you eligible as high as 36, it’s complicated.
Personally, I don’t mind doing an reasonable amount of work - it can be cathartic like exercise or give a sense of purpose. The problem is, the employers want people to be like hamsters on a wheel, driven to exhaustion and then disposed of for the next rodent to be worked to death.
Workers are being abused - ghost jobs, inconsiderate scheduling, impossible requirements, no overtime pay, manipulation, and so forth has corroded the social contract. At some point, there is just no point in working.
I belong there, as would many other people, if society was willing to treat us fairly.
I agree. I wasn’t trying to shit on the job itself, but point out how fast food workers are treated. If fast food workers were treated like human beings, i bet people would love to work there.
Maybe if we had UBI or something, which is why the powers that be are so against it, because being homeless and hungry are powerful motivators to put up with more bullshit.
The root cause of the problem IS the mega-corp fast food chain that sells us expensive shitty unhealthy food and pays slave wages to its labor force that it treats like annoying obstacles and constantly threatening to automate away. They take away jobs from real restaurants too, until they shut down, and all you have left is fucking McDonald’s.
Dismissing that people work there out of desperation is out of touch, but to disagree with “let fastfood restaurants go bankrupt” is where the REAL BIG brains are at.
Why can’t we just have a discussion without insults. These corporations are the problem, convincing them to pay you more until they automate you away is not a solution, the solution IS for them to be bankrupt.
I also don’t eat there, and think it’s morally outrageous to give them any profit that helps them achieve the distopian future they’re working so hard towards.
Why can’t we just have a discussion without insults
Let’s be honest, “I don’t eat fast food so they should be allowed to pay slave wages” isn’t really a compelling discussion with nuanced talking points.
Why is it on the shoulders of the desperate to not take any job they can get, and on the shoulders of the desperate to not get whatever food they can afford and have time for in between their 3 jobs?
You know what would also kill the business model of “under pay and over work staff for low quality results then just replace them”? Laws preventing such behavior.
But they didn’t say that, they said the opposite… They’re saying they’d rather not support this awful business, and would rather watch it die so it can be replaced with real jobs that people can live off of. That’s how I interpreted it anyway.
would rather watch it die so it can be replaced with real jobs that people can live off of
A faster way to do that: minimum wage laws that require people are paid a wage they can live off of.
The’ve tried the whole “let’s not pass laws to increase minimum wage, people will just not take jobs that don’t pay enough” for decades. Jobs still exist that pay below poverty (minimum wage).
If we agree that what they are doing is garbage and shouldn’t be able to exist, why are they arguing against doing something that would prevent it from existing?
Brother if you’re ever in the UK I’d love to link up and see if you’re so quick to talk to people like shit IRL, cause you’ll quickly get your shit rocked.
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Why should a full-time employer be permitted to pay an employee less than it costs to merely survive? It’s like you WANT to live in a culture where humans are exploited and thrown away when they break.
Edit: NVM, I see from the rest of the thread that you are not participating in good faith, and your responses will be blocked from reaching me.
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You sounds like you’ve never held a job before and these terms are brand new to you. You’re using them wrong.
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You still don’t realize how ignorant you come across
Hourly can be fulltime.
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No, you’re a fucking idiot.
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Fulltime employment is not consistently defined across the board. Both of you may be right depending on which country or state you live in. Generally, in the US, full time employment is considered 40hrs of work per week, and has nothing to do with hourly or salary pay.
You are wrong and have always been wrong. It is based on worked (scheduled hours) in a week. Above a threshold, and it is considered full-time.
I get paid by the hour, 50 years old. And the same job for 20 years. Full time.
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Fulltime is typically defined as 40 hours a week max, but the threshold is lower for definitions like the ACA, you can be eligible as low as 30, and sometimes employers have to make you eligible as high as 36, it’s complicated.
It’s not really complicated, it’s just that companies want to find (or make!) loopholes to shirk their responsibilities.
50 hrs ago week isn’t full time? Get fuckt
I’m hourly and make a good living wage, are you implying that hourly means you don’t work full time or should be entitled to a livable wage?
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The workers who are responsible for the continued function of society aren’t owed anything?
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I’m not Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates, I’m not the one stealing their surplus value. I’d be happy to help them take back what they’re owed though.
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If you work 40 hours a week and paid hourly that is full time. You don’t have to be salary to be full time employee.
How out of touch are you?
nobody works there because it’s their life dream. If they work there it’s because of some benefit like having some money vs no money.
who should be working there then? Like, someone has to. Who do you think belongs there?
Personally, I don’t mind doing an reasonable amount of work - it can be cathartic like exercise or give a sense of purpose. The problem is, the employers want people to be like hamsters on a wheel, driven to exhaustion and then disposed of for the next rodent to be worked to death.
Workers are being abused - ghost jobs, inconsiderate scheduling, impossible requirements, no overtime pay, manipulation, and so forth has corroded the social contract. At some point, there is just no point in working.
I belong there, as would many other people, if society was willing to treat us fairly.
I agree. I wasn’t trying to shit on the job itself, but point out how fast food workers are treated. If fast food workers were treated like human beings, i bet people would love to work there.
No, nobody has to. The problem of them under paying would solve itself if nobody was willing to work for them at those low wages.
Maybe if we had UBI or something, which is why the powers that be are so against it, because being homeless and hungry are powerful motivators to put up with more bullshit.
Collective action? Now that sounds like communism to me…
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If I don’t do something, than fuck everyone who does it, let 'em burn. Definitely big brain time.
The root cause of the problem IS the mega-corp fast food chain that sells us expensive shitty unhealthy food and pays slave wages to its labor force that it treats like annoying obstacles and constantly threatening to automate away. They take away jobs from real restaurants too, until they shut down, and all you have left is fucking McDonald’s.
Dismissing that people work there out of desperation is out of touch, but to disagree with “let fastfood restaurants go bankrupt” is where the REAL BIG brains are at.
Why can’t we just have a discussion without insults. These corporations are the problem, convincing them to pay you more until they automate you away is not a solution, the solution IS for them to be bankrupt.
I also don’t eat there, and think it’s morally outrageous to give them any profit that helps them achieve the distopian future they’re working so hard towards.
Close. The issue is corporate socialism
Let’s be honest, “I don’t eat fast food so they should be allowed to pay slave wages” isn’t really a compelling discussion with nuanced talking points.
Why is it on the shoulders of the desperate to not take any job they can get, and on the shoulders of the desperate to not get whatever food they can afford and have time for in between their 3 jobs?
You know what would also kill the business model of “under pay and over work staff for low quality results then just replace them”? Laws preventing such behavior.
But they didn’t say that, they said the opposite… They’re saying they’d rather not support this awful business, and would rather watch it die so it can be replaced with real jobs that people can live off of. That’s how I interpreted it anyway.
A faster way to do that: minimum wage laws that require people are paid a wage they can live off of.
The’ve tried the whole “let’s not pass laws to increase minimum wage, people will just not take jobs that don’t pay enough” for decades. Jobs still exist that pay below poverty (minimum wage).
If we agree that what they are doing is garbage and shouldn’t be able to exist, why are they arguing against doing something that would prevent it from existing?
there ya go. here’s a guy/gal who understands the issues.
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Brother if you’re ever in the UK I’d love to link up and see if you’re so quick to talk to people like shit IRL, cause you’ll quickly get your shit rocked.
HMU if you ever in Manchester.
It’s obvious from this thread that they get little to no irl interaction.
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Odd that in another thread you tell people to move to Russia, in a way indicating you don’t live there.
Little bitch 😂.
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Why don’t you just enlist? I hear they’re looking for people who can’t think.
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You seem really offended at the idea that “someone who works a job should be able to afford living” for some reason…
Just go away. We don’t want you here.
You’re either a troll or lack all empathy for others. Neither are anything to society.
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Damn. Look everyone, it’s a shit stain of a human
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You’re right. I’ll quit my job tomorrow and apply to be the next Elon Musk. Give me 6 million in seed money now please.
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Yeah i will earn it, and more, at my Elon Musk job. Now gimme.
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Lmao. Look at this poor mfer unable to afford giving me 6 million in seed money so I can quit my burger job and be the next Elon Musk. What a loser.
Maybe he should quit his job and get a better paying one to afford my seed money, like normal people do.