I gave it a fair shot for about a year, using vanilla GNOME with no extensions. While I eventually became somewhat proficient, it’s just not good.
Switching between a few workspaces looks cool, but once you have 10+ programs open, it becomes an unmanageable hell that requires memorizing which workspace each application is in and which hotkey you have each application set to.
How is this better than simply having icons on the taskbar? By the way, the taskbar still exists in GNOME! It’s just empty and seems to take up space at the top for no apparent reason other than displaying the time.
Did I do something wrong? Is it meant for you to only ever have a couple applications open?
I’d love to hear from people that use it and thrive in it.
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Surely you dont have 10 workspace for 10 windows.
Am I not supposed to?
This is kind of the problem, if you add multiple apps in a random workspace, the only way I can think of to know which apps are in the background of that workspace is to memorize it. Which feels bad having to use my brain for that instead of focusing on whatever I’m doing.
If vanilla GNOME doesnt work for you, just install extension or move to another DE.
I’m trying dash to panel now, it seems to fix quite a few of my gripes.
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the only way I can think of to know which apps are in the background of that workspace is to memorize it
If you press Meta key and scroll, it shows all windows in each workspace. I think that’s also in vanilla, not one of my many extensions, haha.
Every time I’ve tried using modern GNOME it’s like pulling teeth. I hate it. I think it has actual usability issues. Not disparaging anyone who likes it, it just really doesn’t suit me.
GNOME classic shell was ok, but when I installed KDE Plasma it was like coming home. Everything made sense and everything was where it needed to be. More or less.
In the end I’m just glad Linux has a variety of DEs to choose from. Even if you choose GNOME, you weirdo.
I think it’s some kind of modern UX design philosophy; Remove everything except the most basic features to make it less confusing for computer illiterate users. Then label the rest of the features as “advanced” and either hide them behind some menus or in a separate program. Obviously that doesn’t mean that everybody who likes Gnome and similarly designed software is computer illiterate, but it’s difficult to make one glove that fits all. Kind of like those failed experiments to make a unified OS for desktops, tablets and phones…
When Gnome 3 was announced I thought it was cool that they tried something new, and I really wanted to like it. I’ve given it a couple of more chances over the years, to see if it has changed more to my liking, but after a few weeks of use I always replace it with something else… The way the UX is designed just reminds me too much of what I dislike about Windows. Having to use dconf editor to change settings feels just like being forced to use regedit.
Firefox also tried to go down this road IMO, but have reverted some of the worst changes and can be made almost to my liking with the help of extensions. Personally I like Vivaldi better but I think it’s important to keep Firefox alive so that Chromium/Blink doesn’t get complete monopoly.
Yes, I prefer Gnome to KDE by a long way, it’s much nicer looking and easier to use, the trick is to use it the way it’s intended, instead of trying to control it to work how you think it should
Absolutely love it! I’ve donated hundreds of dollars to the Gnome foundation.
I like that practically all of the OS functionality is behind either super+seach or the quick settings menu. I love how powerful the overview is, and all hidden behind a single key press. I like that asking “Is X possible?” is immediately answerable, and 95% of the time it’s right in the first place I think to look. I like the trackpad gestures and workspaces on my laptop where I don’t have multiple large screens. I like that it has very little need for system tray icons which are clunky, inconsistent, and ugly. (Ex: Discord can only be quit from it’s tray icon… -_-)
I’m not a DE power user apparently, but I’m certainly not the mythical “lowest common denominator” that Gnome supposedly caters to either. I do a lot of programming in C/asm/, and write plenty of code involving lots of esoteric math. I don’t have much use for Python for instance, but I don’t think it’s “dumbed down” either. :p
KDE (and Windows to a similar extent) always has way too much “stuff” it wants to show you, 90% of it I’ll never use. Every window toolbar is chock full of icons, and so many actions trigger popups, notifications, or dialogs that have little purpose. It’s all terribly distracting and annoying. Still, I’ve donated hundreds of dollars to KDE foundation as well since it’s an important part of the Linux ecosystem. I don’t use it, but that doesn’t mean I hate it, and I see no reason why it shouldn’t flourish too. Open Source is not a competition.
Good on you for donating to kde and gnome! In case you don’t know, there is an option in discord settings to quit whenever the window is closed.
I did not know that… Thanks! I looked through all the settings at some point, but mussed have missed it.
You can just switch to kde or xfce if you dont like gnome, thats what linux is all about. For one I cant really use anything not-gnome anymore, its workflow feels just so efficient and is equally good with a touchpad, keyboard and mouse. I usually get distracted really easily on kde and the likes but gnome just gets out of the way and lets me focus more on my work.
The other options I tried were a bit too buggy for my tastes. I’ll stick with it a bit longer. Idk.
Fair lol.
I’d suggest trying to always use the apps in the same workspaces. I always open discord spotify steam in the leftmost workspace, firefox in the rightmost and the 3-4 ides i have open in the middle each on its own. Makes navigating through them a second nature in no time.
I love GNOME more than any other DE. I like how it works very well with keyboard shortcuts. The only extensions I use are the weather and the tray icons.
I switch between apps from overview or by typing in search, or by sliding between workspaces. It is more convenient to me than classic desktops with a taskbar and minimized windows.
Indeed this is what I was doing, it turned out ok for me, but the issue is that I ended up having to memorize everything I had open, and worse: where I had it open, so slide properly. Sliding 6 times to get to where I wanted just felt silly.
Maybe it’s just a general habit of mine that I keep minimum things open at time and close everything after use: desktop windows, android apps, browser tabs. So I use up to 3-5 dynamic workspaces most of the time.
Mhmm. The flow feels great with that many windows. It’s just for me it feels like I need more than just 3-5 apps open to be productive. Maybe it’s just a bad use case for how I do things.
I try Gnome every year or so, and the first time I encounter the Save As dialog defaulting my text input to the goddamn Search box instead of the filename box, I shut it down and uninstall it. That just drives me around the bend.
I prefer GNOME to KDE and I understand that there’s research and philosophy behind some of the decisions, but I just can’t get around some of the quirks. “Workflow” itself is fine, with tiling on top, you can get by. But those window decorations. So much space is taken by a completely useless, fat bar at the top of each window even though it’s not really aimed at being touchscreen native.
This I really agree with. I don’t think it has ever stopped them to use smaller title bars, even with the CSD.
I find it a lot better on a laptop for focused workflows, but I don’t like it on desktop.
Huh, funny, I wonder why that is. I just realized that happens to me too, I still have it vanilla on the pc and it doesnt bother me as much.
Maybe cause the bar at the top causes you to slightly tilt your neck down a bit more on the laptop and that’s a non issue on monitors?
Maybe cause with multiple monitors there isn’t as much fiddling finding the right workspace?
That’s a very interesting point.
edit: I just realized I completely misunderstood what you said, you said the opposite of how I interpreted it, my bad.
You are not alone. Many love its ‘restrained’ workflow, and DEs are subjective. It sounds like you are ready to move to KDE. KDE has a ‘Overview’ that mimics Gnome’s, so best of both worlds and the taskbar in KDE is actually functional. Don’t waste anymore time, make the switch to day. Operators are standing by. 🤣
I love Gnome. But I have a pretty simple workflow where I don’t use many applications. Generally I have a browser and terminal open and that’s it.
I do all my window management inside of Tmux, which is effectively my actual window manager.
I’ve tried KDE in the past but I’ve never liked how it feels like a stepping stone for the Windows interface – not a huge fan of pullout menus. I’ve been using Linux exclusively for almost twenty years so I don’t have any love for that UX.
I used to use a lot of simple/tiling window managers when I was younger and more patient, Gnome feels similar to those in how it has very few bells and whistles to get in your way.
If only maintaining extensions was easier, it feels like every major release breaks every extension for something stupid like renaming a constant. The Gnome team seems to put very little consideration into making the JS extension API stable.
I use GNOME (under Fedora) on a laptop that sits at my right hand side, so I use it with only one hand. Using three-finger swipe to change workspaces is awesome - I usually use a workspace for each app, or sometimes two apps share a workspace, but I don’t worry about which one they are on, it’s so easy I just swipe until I find the one I want.
I use an extension to auto-reveal the dock when I go to the bottom of the screen. The default behavior of going to the top left of the screen, only to traverse all the way down to the dock at the bottom (or the right for workspaces), just seems really inefficient, especially on a touchpad.
I had it all tricked out with other extensions but they keep breaking with new GNOME releases, so I’ve mostly given up on that.
I usually bring up the dock by tapping the super key or using a three finger swipe up. I barely use the hot corner at all since Ifigursed that trick out.
I love the gnome workflow. Coming from MacOS it’s more familiar to me than a windows layout, but still so much better than macOSs defaults. I usually have 3-4 workspaces open, with a specific “environment” in a single or a few workspaces. E.g a browser window with email, todos, calendar etc and other “personal things” in one, maybe one for a certain project I’m working on, another for a work project, etc. This way I’m always focusing on one thing at a time but can quickly context switch and have my laptop “switch with me”. I also make heavy use of alt-tab and Ctrl-tab for window switching. Together with fewer windows per workspace, this makes it super fast to navigate without ever taking my hands off the keyboard. If I forget where things are, a glance at the overview is enough.
It should be noted that I don’t use a mouse and if I love touchpad gestures, so gnome is perfect for me. Even using a keyboard only and the very occasional touchpad is very comfortable on gnome. At least compared to macOS and windows.
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As much as I love XFCE, it isn’t ready for Wayland.
I just started KDE today for Wayland. It’s not as bad as I remembered it.
