• fubo@lemmy.world
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    The prohibition is not on speech. It’s on installing a specific piece of software on government-issued devices, when the government has determined that software is a security & privacy threat.

    The professors could legally use a third-party client app (if one exists) to connect to the service.

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      If you converted the source code of the tiktok app into a book, and said having that book as a PDF on those devices was prohibited, it would be a violation of freedom of speech, no?

      So why should it being a PDF or not matter? Bernstein v. US held that software code is protected under the 1st amendment. https://www.eff.org/cases/bernstein-v-us-dept-justice

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        Ok maybe I’m misunderstanding the ban but the book isn’t transmitting data is it?

        I thought the TikTok ban was based on who has access to the data, not that the data exists.

        I’m pretty certain transcribing confidential information into a book and calling it free speech wouldn’t circumvent the laws restricting access to that info.

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    “Government decides how Government resources are governed.”

    Yeah, seems pretty reasonable.

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    I’m not a US citizen so I’m not sure how this works, so if I say some stupid shit you can call me out on it, but, is it not a ban only in state devices/networks?

    Why is that impeding researches/studies? What is stopping them from just using a personal device on a personal network, or at least a “work” (but still personal) device/network?

    I just don’t understand that part.

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      For not being a US citizen you have a better grasp on our free speech laws than the professors suing Texas. First I want to state fuck Greg Abbott. Now with that being said, it’s not a violation of free speech for the government to block a website on government devices/networks. There are already a huge number of websites that are blocked. I can understand the arguments against doing it but it’s not a violation of free speech just because they don’t block Facebook too.

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      I’m a USian and state government does in fact have to pay more respect to the first amendment than private businesses.

      They have to show some kind of compelling interest that justifies doing something like this. And keep in mind that “state devices” are not just office PCs, but also stuff like Chromebooks distributed to schoolchildren.

      I would trust university professors on something like this.

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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Unless it’s from China or any communist allies.

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        or business interests.

        According to the Supreme Court, businesses have human rights, are you defending the violation of human rights?

        How the turn tables.

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            I see, the USA should work on banning Toyota, Samsung, Siemens, Nestle and etc.

            Actually, just banning Nestlé for their slavery practices in Africa would be good enough.

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                100% agree about Neslte. And I’d be happy to expand the requirements to do business with America to include adhering to US labor regulations.

                Make it United Nations labor regulations and we’re set for a good time, comrade.

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      It has long been recognized that freedom of speech is not unlimited, and I really hope you’re not trying to argue that TikTok is press.

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        Oh. People are trying. I recently, will add briefly, watched a documentary on the Titanic where they had a guy from TT stating facts because his authority is that he’s “The Titanic guy”. Turned it off seconds after I stopped laughing.

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        The key line here is “abridging the freedom of speech”

        I don’t like TikTok. I think it’s an actual danger to our society in how it promotes the dumbest shit and encourages dangerous antics and conspiracy theories. However, I think it’s an equally dangerous step to let the government decide to limit or remove access to a foreign social media site. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and while it might seem like a good move to limit access to TikTok specifically, that sets the precedent for removing access to other ways of communicating.

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      If blocking a website on government devices/networks is a violation of free speech why are you just now sounding the alarm? Why didn’t you sound the alarm when I wasn’t allowed to browse reddit on my government laptop? The government blocking access on personal devices/networks is a violation, blocking access on government networks/devices is business as usual.