A group tracking antisemitism in Germany said Tuesday that it documented a drastic increase of antisemitic incidents in the country in the month after Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7.
The RIAS group said it recorded 994 incidents, which is an average of 29 incidents per day and an increase of 320% compared to the same time period in 2022. The group looked at the time period from Oct. 7 to Nov. 9.
Among the 994 antisemitic incidents, there were three cases of extreme violence, 29 attacks, targeted damage to 72 properties, 32 threats, four mass mailings and 854 cases of offensive behavior.
Many Jews in Germany experienced antisemitic incidents in their everyday lives and even those who weren’t exposed to any antisemitic incidents reported feelings of insecurity and fear, said RIAS, which is an abbreviation in German for the Department for Research and Information on Antisemitism.
Im just way more skeptical everytime i see the word “antisemitic” with how much its being used for criticism of Israel or support of palestinians.
Jewish people are attacked on the streets, synagogues are being attacked and smeared with swastikas etc.
You can condemn that and still think Israel is making a mistake in Gaza.u sound reasonable enough, may I ask what in your honest opinion Israel should do instesd in gaza?
It’s really damn complicated. There is so much history to this conflict. I honestly don’t know what Israel’s best move would be.
I just think there has to be a way to have less civilian casualties. People are suffering greatly in Gaza and it somehow needs to stop.
On the other hand I understand that the Israeli government has to react to the Hamas attacks. Hundreds of innocents were slaughtered and Israel is surrounded by enemies. Constantly in danger. They need to make sure nobody else dares to attack.In a perfect world they would (or rather: could) treat Gaza like the US treated Germany after WWII. But I’m afraid even with massive humanitarian and economic help there would still be terror and violence from Hamas. This conflict is too old and too dogmatic to be solved in a matter of weeks or even years.
Look around in this thread - even people who don’t have any personal stakes in the conflict have such radical options about it. I can’t imagine what it must feel like to be a Palestinian or Israeli who has lost family members to this.
the most honest and down to earth answer I’ve seen tbh.
I think most people in this and every other thread on the conflict have no stakes in it, and not enough knowledge on the issue and that’s the problem having such strong opinions on it.
Considering how well the temporary ceasefire is going, extending that to permanent would be a great first step. Then maybe begin real negotiations on how to move forward without Israel continuing to control the region and deciding who deserves to live and where. Sure dealing with terrorism is complicated but realizing that you’re increasing the recruitment rates with every bombing is pretty basic.
everything u said was already tried and failed.
Let’s try it again because it’s the right thing to do.
What is supposed to be done about the rockets shot at Israel and about the terrorist attacks?
Admonish and forgive. If you require a proportional response to every action you’ll inevitably exist in a state of perpetual war.
Someone will say something similar any time antisemitism is discussed in any context. Whatever your intention, it has the effect of minimizing and normalizing antisemitism. The article is clear that only a fifth of incidents are even tangentially related to Israel at all. Attacking or threatening German Jews or destroying their property isn’t criticism of Israel. Marking Jewish homes with a Star of David or firebombing synagogues isn’t supporting Palestinians.
‘Criticism of Israel’ shouldn’t mean giving cover to Nazis.
While I agree that’s true, it’s also the case that Israel has both conflated itself with Jewish people globally to claim criticism of itself as antisemitism, as well as committed actual atrocities against non-Israeli Jewish people as a means of propaganda to promote the idea that nowhere is safe for Jewish people except Israel. This muddies the water and makes it difficult to accurately discuss and criticize actual antisemitism, to the benefit of Israel and to the detriment of Jewish people.
Even if that’s true, Jewish people are not collectively responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. In that case, you’d have an argument for not trusting the Israeli government. You can’t extend that to German Jews (in this case) or groups that monitor antisemitism in Germany without it also being an implicit argument about why you can’t trust Jews.
It’s more of a “boy who cried wolf” scenario. Many have become numb to accusations of antisemitism, because the term is frequently used incorrectly. Israel, along with Pro-Israel groups in Europe and the US (who may or may not themselves be Jewish) are frequently guilty of misusing the term. This article even states that 21% of counted incidents were anti-Israel, and a further 5% were anti-imperialist. Including those in the overall count is just incorrect unless they are also antisemitic in some other way, and because of that people are right to be skeptical of claims like in this headline. It’s not skepticism of Jewish people, it’s skepticism of people who seem motivated to call anti-Israeli acts antisemitic.
The solution here also isn’t to stop reporting on antisemitism. Doing so is important and should be recorded and reported correctly. The solution is that anti-Israeli acts cannot be included in those statistics, and people with a specific motivation to do so shouldn’t be the ones reporting.
Saying ‘the boy who cried wolf’ when Nazis and state actors are both active in this space just isn’t good enough. It isn’t that hard to say that criticism of Israel isn’t inherently antisemitic and say that antisemitism is vile. Reflexively dismissing claims of antisemitism gives cover to Nazis to commit antisemitic acts. People aren’t jumping into every discussion of antisemitism to say, “Golly, I sure hope they aren’t including valid criticism of Israel in these numbers!” They’re saying (or at least implying) that the actions described were either justifiable or ought to be dismissed.
This article even states that 21% of counted incidents were anti-Israel, and a further 5% were anti-imperialist.
It’s wrong to say that criticism of Israel is inherently antisemitic. It’s also wrong to say that it’s impossible to be antisemitic as long as you’re criticizing Israel. Every Nazi in the world is critical of Israel. They’d be overjoyed to attack Jews in the name of Palestine so long as they get to attack Jews. Protesters chanting “Death to Jews” is antisemitism, even if it occurs at a pro-Palestinian rally. To use an example from the article, harassing a Jewish student in Germany for the actions of the Israeli government isn’t valid criticism of Israel, regardless of the criticism; the idea that Jews are collectively responsible for those actions is racist. That’s not remotely the same thing as criticism or opposition to Israeli settlements in the West Bank, for example. They don’t deserve a blanket defense. Regarding the two examples of antisemitism above, we should be furious that racist dipshits are smuggling that bullshit into Palestinian solidarity movements, not offering them protection.
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And whenever groups criticize israel or support palestinians someone will call it anti-semitism, minimizing and normalizing the genocide of palestinians.
whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout
You don’t have to be a useful idiot for Nazis. That’s what you’re doing when you pop into a discussion about antisemitism to say that sometimes it’s valid or maybe not happening at all. Opposition to antisemitism has absolutely nothing to say about Palestinians at all.
Someone firebombed a synagogue.
I’m pretty sure that’s “genuine” antisemitism.
No ones saying theres no genuine antisemitism going on. Even in the 854 incidents of “offensive behavior” im sure is plenty of nazi ideology eugenics wanting jews killed. But im skeptical of the totality of this number being antisemitism.
I’m not sure how important it is that every one of these 854 incidents be slurs versus miscounted anti-Zionist remarks, violent attacks and assaults on Jews minding their own business in grocery stores is alarming and deplorable. Jews in Germany aren’t, like, participating in Israeli politics. The IDF doesn’t poll Jews across the globe asking who they should shoot. Jews shouldn’t be concerned about hiding their Judaism to avoid being the target of hate.
The number of incidents is the whole thing being discussed, a notable rise in antisemitic incidents. Jews shouldnt face any hate crimes, but neither should any group that also regularly faces them.
So you basically don’t want the news or anyone to talk about it because it’s a non-issue?
Im talking about it
You are talking about how every group can be discriminated against and how you aren’t even sure if it really is antisemitism and how anti-semitism is often just misunderstood totally valid Israeli criticism.
Hmmm… Sounds to me like you don’t want to see the issue here.
That’s definitely a genuine piece of antisemitism and people doing shit like that need to be arrested pronto… but I’m still uncertain like the OP. Though maybe the uncertainty is just being jaded by American organizations like the AJC.
how come ur so uncertain when it comes to jews suffering, but never doubt when it comes to other groups?
I’m quite sympathetic to any people suffering, but broad statistics like these are very easy to interpret in a wide array of manners and, as I mentioned, organizations like the AJC and similar have really eroded my trust.
who didn’t erode your unbiased trust then? BBC? aljazeera?
Your statement isn’t clear, and I don’t understand your question, but news outlets generally do have biases which makes it important to sample different sources. Al Jazeera is a very good source to balance against western ones but they’re also heavily biased… but the AJC I had mentioned earlier isn’t a news outlet, it’s just a proganda think tank that declared themselves the authority on what’s antisemitic in America… and they’re not representative of jewish-americans. This might be new england bias but most jews I’ve met are antizionist.
Probably has something to do with being called antisemitic because we think zionism is poison. I’ve never been called Islamophobic for calling out Islamic extremists, why am I antisemitic for calling out Jewish extremists?
no, u didn’t “called out” Jewish extremists, u literally said every zionist is poison
u literally said every zionist is poison
Read my words again. I didn’t say anything about people I said the belief is poison. If you continue to put words into people’s mouths you’re going to continue to view the world the way you want and not the way it is.
Propaganda is a double edged sword.
there is a difference between criticizing Israel and refusing to accept their right to exist
Me too. Having a blue octopus cuddly toy is antisemitic according to the crazies.
extremists groups are on the rise in general since they see they are being accepted more these days.
only needs to look at lemmy to understand why they feel so comfortable coming out now more than ever.
Or Reddit. But don’t look at Reddit lol.
This surprises exactly nobody. The goverments of the last decades created a breeding ground for right wing ideologies.
Aw man, that’s nearly 420%! Disappointed.
