Original wording (Cantonese): "你一食葯就会食到老嘅啦“ (Once you start, you will need to continue till you get old (aka: till your death))

Oh okay mom… “唔食藥而家死咗就唔使到老囉” (If I don’t get medicated, I die now and no need to get old) (didn’t actually say it, but really want to)

This culture is gonna kill me 😭

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    Your mom isn’t even correct. Many do rely on medication for life, not because they started, but because it was always going to always be helpful. But some people do use medication to begin resolving issues and wean off to either manageable levels or none when they feel their issues are under control. Anxiety meds are notorious for that.

    And honestly, depression and anxiety meds aren’t even inconvenient to need for life unless you’re unable to keep on them consistently (if that’s a fear then there are options that you can discuss with your doctor). I’m on adhd meds, and they however fucking suck to need because of restrictions on the medication causing shortages and similar problems. Either way every medication I’m on I’d tell my past self to start without hesitation.

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      Apart from the cost and hassle, some people think that it’s a virtue to not use medicines. That taking them risks side effects. While that’s absolutely true, every medication should be taken only when the benefits outweight the downsides. They all have side effects but so does untreated disease.

      Am impulse to not take medicine is emotion over considered healthcare. In saying that the benefits and side effects should be considered, as well as the expected timeline. Further, the medication should be reviewed for continuing need, appropriate dosage and better alternatives at regular intervals.

      I’m currently taking a glp-1 for weight loss and it’s worked great with minimal side effects for me. I know from the research that if I stop taking it, I’m likely to put a lot of weight back on, so I’m pretty locked in. Given the alternative of being overweight and havig poorer sleep and health in general, that’s a risk I willingly took. I’m hopeful there is improved research and we find a way to wean off successfully for most people, but if we don’t, I’m still ok with my choice.

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    I’m not an expert, just a depressed person myself. I guess you already know that what your mother tells you is wrong, but just in case here’s what my doctor told me:

    The point of antidepressants is to get your messed up brain chemistry going again and to a level where you can start with other therapy methods. Basically get you in a position where you can work on your problems. Once you are getting better and you start being able to think more clearly again (for lack of a better term), you should eventually phase them out.

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      Depends on the person and the meds. So that’s not true for everyone. Some bipolar people, for example, are in meds for life and need minimal therapy. Some people are on meds for vwrys Hort periods and therapy is the big part. Some, the meds allow a level of functioning that allows lifestyle changes that allows them to not need meds or therapy.

      However, in each case, it can be trial and error. You need proper diagnosis, and a food for with therapist and meds. Sometimes that needs shuffling a lot, which can make the journey difficult and slow, making it seem neverending or hopeless. Of course feelings of hopelessness are one of the side effects of mental illnesses and also many meds.

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    Ironically the opposite is more likely.

    I have ADHD and am (now) medicated for it. Interestingly, I’ve noticed it’s become less effective. Not because my meds work worse, but that my brain works better. It now knows what a focused flow state feels like. It’s become easier to recreate it, even without the support of medication.

    I suspect depression meds would do the same. The medication supports you in a better mental state. Your own brain learns that state and that it feels better. Eventually, you might not need the meds to hold that state. If you do, however, that’s also fine. The goal is to be the best version of you.

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    Does Mom wear glasses? She shouldn’t, she’ll rely on them forever.

    Does Mom wear a jacket when cold? She shouldn’t, she’ll rely on one forever.

    Does Mom wear shoes…?

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        There is so much to life beyond this. So much that this will seem insignificant, maybe even silly.

        I truly hope you make it there, and stop living for someone else

        • Logically I want to live

          Emotionally I have an attachment to my mom (plus finanical dependence)

          Emotions are irrational

          Attachment is irrational

          Its a chemical

          Just like depression

          I don’t think free will exists

          If the chemicals in my brain are telling me to jump off a bridge… there’s no way for me to stop it…

          its just chemical…

          You can’t tell a computer to “just don’t fucking shut down, stay booted”, when you deleted system32, when systemfiles are corrupted…

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              I know you are trying to help but i have never known such commentary to do any good towards a depressed person.

              At worst it can even make them worse because now the depression is their own fault for not exercising enough.

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                While I get what you mean and the person you are replying to was very flippant about it, there are studies that show moderate exercise outdoors (going for a walk) to be as effective as chemical antidepressants.

                I am currently in a deep depression and on SSRIs and my doctor told me about those studies. Yes it’s hard to get outside, but the positive effects of sunlight + moving your body on depressed people are scientifically proven. And it can be helpful to know that going for a walk is actually useful and not a waste of time. It won’t cure a depression, but the positive effects shouldn’t be dismissed either.

            • Aaaah no energy

              I like to do “chill” stuff like just slowly walking in a park… but um… the sun is already setting so maybe tomorrow (it’s now 18:52)

              Don’t wanna get abducted in the dark lol…

              Takes a lot of energy to just put on clothes and go outside… germophobia… to anxious of ourside…

              Wait wtf why do I wanna die and also germophobic…

              wtf brain.exe? So I’m afraid of dying and wanna die? The fuck?

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                Do you have anyone besides your mother and online friends to interact with on a regular basis? People you like to be around, I mean? Genuine question, I am not trying to be a dick.

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                Sounds like you don’t want to die, you just don’t want to live the way you’re currently living. But, don’t listen to me, I don’t jack from shit.

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    I don’t know you other than your posts here, but I just want to say I like the cut of your jib.

    And really hope you can get the help you need and away from your toxic family.

    • Toxic? Maybe…

      But the thing about Asian parents, especially Chinese parents, is that even the most lovely parents are ignorant and controlling af… like the “overton window” of parenting is so fucked…

      The whole worldview is different.

      Love and unhealthy dynamics can simultaneously exist… its not mutually exclusive

      By western standards… we’d have to cut out all of our parents out of our lives

      idk… attachment is just irrational, emotions are irrational…

      I honestly hate Chinese culture more than I hate parents…

      I don’t blame them for being passed down such a fucked up culture…

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    Don’t listen to non-medical people about medical things. It is really that simple. Listen to experts or trained people.

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        You might be able to buy some gray market buproprion or something. Like, honestly I’d recommend going and getting meds from a doctor and lying to your parents about the situation instead of that. But like, it’s your body dude, you can just buy prescription medication from Vanuatu if it isn’t a controlled substance, it’s not just hormones and birth control. Still a really bad idea, go to the doctor and claim they gave you prescription vitamin D or something.

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        If you’re on your parents’ insurance they’d be able to see what you use it for, but otherwise your medical information is confidential and they shouldn’t be able to see anything. And if you are on your parents’ insurance, you could pay out of pocket to avoid them seeing it on the explanation of benefits.

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    Untrue. I spent 18 months on antidepressants in my mid-30s and then I didn’t need them any longer. Everyone is different.

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    They’re obviously wrong, and commenters already gave you correct information that it typically isn’t long term (especially in combination with therapy, for some).

    I will add two things I’ve seen before on the parent side (typically parents at a school). One, they might not understand that depression isn’t something they caused- in many cases, it’s biological and out of anyone’s hands. There’s a lot of taboo, much of which can be shame or guilt, which is fully unwarranted, but treating it admits it’s serious. “Could I have some something better?” and “what will others think?” are a common thoughts. I’m not sure if that’s the case in your culture, but perhaps.

    Second, seeing a change in your child can be a little scary. They misunderstand what the change would be (y’know, happy) but imagine you love your child and all their qualities, and that’s going to change under medication. Maybe they’ll be less creative? Maybe they’ll lose their human side? And it’s true there will be a change, but the thing is depression is what’s changing who you are, not the medication.

    Anyway that’s my two cents since I work in education and teach about these things to other educators. Parental approval is a REAL hurdle for education professionals and they don’t always succeed, but be persistent and make sure they understand it’s not shameful, it’s no one’s fault, medication will allow you to be yourself, and as everyone else has explained, it’s likely only temporary.

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      They misunderstand what the change would be (y’know, happy)

      I love most of your comment but I don’t like the common concept of antidepressants as “happy pills”. It’s the same issue as depression means you’re sad. Depression is a complex illness with a large variety of potential symptoms. In severe depression people are more likely to describe themselves as numb or emotionless than sad because they’ve become emotionally exhausted. Sadness also isn’t the only negative emotion linked to depression. People with depression experience higher levels of guilt, shame, agitation, and anger.

      For my subjective experience, I couldn’t tell a difference when I started taking SSRIs. They were making a difference because family members told me that I was easier to be around. That I didn’t snap at them or brood as much. I didn’t realize that I had been snapping at them. Bupropion on the other hand made a big difference to how I felt almost immediately. It eased the physical symptoms of depression, gave me more energy, and made the agitation of dealing with people build slower. Neither made me happy, they made me less depressed.

      Feeling better about myself and being happier with my life took much longer and involved therapy and life changes. That’s why I don’t like “happy pills” concept. Antidepressants are just one piece of the puzzle. They’re a tool but recovering from and/or managing depression requires a toolbox.

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        Fair point, and I appreciate the clarification as I didn’t mean that as a happy pills concept or that you can just be happy. Neurotypicals aren’t usually happy, either. I just meant not depressed and, perhaps happy, or anything else that is unlocked by not having that heavy burden. I simply forget the broader audience might have that “happy pills” impression and I’m sorry if anyone thought that’s what I meant.

        And yeah, therapy and lifestyle changes are important, plus addressing anything else that might be comorbid with depression (i.e. other conditions that came with it).

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    About 60% of people prescribed antidepressants take them for a little over 2 years and less than 15% take them for more than 10 years. The recommendation is that they be taken for six to twelve months after major symptoms subside but there are exceptions to the recommendation depending on the particular diagnosis, persistence of minor symptoms, risk of relapse, etc. So you may be on them for a couple of years, maybe longer, maybe for life. Only a qualified medical provider who has evaluated you can tell, and even then they can only give you a best guess. Health is complicated and subject to change, mental health only moreso.

    From your comments I get the impression that you’re not actively suicidal, it sounds like you’re in that emotional spot where you don’t want to die but just not waking up doesn’t sound so bad. I’m pretty familiar with that spot. You should be aware that when antidepressants start to work they often restore energy and drive before their effects on mood brings your unconscious thoughts to a less dark place. That’s why they list suicide as a potential side effect. It’s important to have social and emotional support, maybe even be in active therapy, during the first couple of months after you start antidepressants.

    I’m not a doctor or therapist. Beyond recognizing your username I know pretty much nothing about you. I can’t tell you what’s right for you or your situation. What I can tell you is that antidepressants were life changing for me. I’ll almost certainly be on them for life, and that was not a fun thing to deal with considering that I was born with multiple disabilities and medical anxiety/the thought of taking medication just to function close to normally everyday of my life was one of the bigger issues I needed to deal with. Mental health is no less real or valid than physical health. It’s not weakness or failure to have an illness. Antidepressants, like any other medication, is a tool. Don’t let social stigma or family pressure or your own anxiety stop you from picking up the tools you need to build the best life you can for yourself.

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    She is probably just secretly jealous that you have a tool to help yourself that she didn’t.