Yeah. I don’t agree with that. I think it’s quite reasonable that the country that now exists can have laws governing intake of people.
What other options are there?
I get the vibe. But give me one reasonable alternative.
Edit: I see nine down votes, one insult, and one option that only is reasonable if the resulting country would rely on the US for defense. Which is to say, there’s no reasonable option behind this cool catch phrase. It’s just a cool catch phrase. And I get down voting because I’m insulting. Your cool catchphrase. But we’re not going to get anywhere if we’re working off vibes.
Whether or not you think that’s a reasonable solution, until we start honoring the broken treaties and actually respect indigenous people, I don’t have too much respect for the current immigration hand wringing
I could see this working in a world where people were sensible. I’d certainly support giving back some portion of the country and saying “ok you’re your own country now, have at it”.
Where people will fight to the death is: which parts and how much land.
But this at least is could be the framework for a reasonable option.
Mkay, then your point is based solely on xenophobia and incorrect assumptions. I hope you take a moment to reflect on that, and try and come up with something better.
Better countries have proven they do not need to be the way they are. The EU Shengen area let the policies of the era of empires and kingdoms fall away while preseving a countries identity. The current US system can be described as “cruel by design” and needs to be removed and its facilitators barred from civil service.
I cant speak for what they are saying but thats what im saying. Borders only exist to prop up the owning class and pit the working classes against eachother.
Sure, but borderless doesn’t mean lawless. I’m a world with no borders you’d have no immigration. But you’d still have laws applied when people are born, which is effectively the same thing. Giving them an ID. Making sure they’re getting their education and vaccines. Etc.
And if you somehow avoided doing those things, that’s breaking the law and you’d be illegally outside the system.
So you’re saying the US literally is not allowed to have any immigration laws?
“So you’re saying that the people who stole the land and murdered the inhabitants can’t tell other people they can’t come onto stolen land??”
Rephrased to be more accurate
Yeah. I don’t agree with that. I think it’s quite reasonable that the country that now exists can have laws governing intake of people.
What other options are there?
I get the vibe. But give me one reasonable alternative.
Edit: I see nine down votes, one insult, and one option that only is reasonable if the resulting country would rely on the US for defense. Which is to say, there’s no reasonable option behind this cool catch phrase. It’s just a cool catch phrase. And I get down voting because I’m insulting. Your cool catchphrase. But we’re not going to get anywhere if we’re working off vibes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_back
Whether or not you think that’s a reasonable solution, until we start honoring the broken treaties and actually respect indigenous people, I don’t have too much respect for the current immigration hand wringing
I could see this working in a world where people were sensible. I’d certainly support giving back some portion of the country and saying “ok you’re your own country now, have at it”.
Where people will fight to the death is: which parts and how much land.
But this at least is could be the framework for a reasonable option.
You act like the people that were here before didn’t have laws or society or ways of dealing with outsiders, and that’s pretty fucking gross of you
Nope. That’s actually my point. Can’t have a society without rules for entry.
So “no one is illegal on stolen land” is saying “you stole the land and built a society, and that society can’t have the rules necessary to exist.”
It poses no next step and no real solution to the problem. It feels nice and gets us nowhere.
Mkay, then your point is based solely on xenophobia and incorrect assumptions. I hope you take a moment to reflect on that, and try and come up with something better.
So you CAN have a society without rules for entry?
Yes
Ok cool. Do guy comes into society. No job. Gets job. Doesn’t pay taxes?
Better countries have proven they do not need to be the way they are. The EU Shengen area let the policies of the era of empires and kingdoms fall away while preseving a countries identity. The current US system can be described as “cruel by design” and needs to be removed and its facilitators barred from civil service.
Oh, 100%. The system sucks and needs drastic replacing.
I cant speak for what they are saying but thats what im saying. Borders only exist to prop up the owning class and pit the working classes against eachother.
Sure, but borderless doesn’t mean lawless. I’m a world with no borders you’d have no immigration. But you’d still have laws applied when people are born, which is effectively the same thing. Giving them an ID. Making sure they’re getting their education and vaccines. Etc.
And if you somehow avoided doing those things, that’s breaking the law and you’d be illegally outside the system.