So you think that if Sanders becomes the leader of the democratic party (he won’t), all of the lobbies and all of the billionaires interests that are behind both Democratic and Republican parties, are gonna suddenly disappear? Unfortunately that’s not how it works.
Voting for the democratic party would alsocbe against your self-interest as member of the working class, just as much as republican. You need to realise the US is a one party system, Democratic and Republican are two branches of the same party.
What’s your strategy? Sanders hasnt become the DNC leader yet, so I reject your premise that it can’t work. We’ve seen how the GOP party can change, for the worse. The billionaires will exist in whatever you’re proposing, right up until they don’t exist, so that’s not any kind of counter argument to improving the DNC.
They are not the same party. Wake the fuck up. Maybe you could say that two years ago, but gestures broadly.
What are you gesturing at specifically? Obama put kids in cages too. Obama bombed the middle east too. They are literally the same party, one is served with mayo the other with ketchup, but both are the same dish. The both serve the same ruling class.
I’m not interested in debating against willful ignorance. You’re literally making a false equivalence logical fallacy. Obama didn’t dismantle our institutions. Obama didn’t separate kids from their parents and intentionally not leave a paper trail so as to effectively make the kids orphans. Obama didn’t execute citizens under the guise of immigration enforcement. Obama didn’t commit blatant fraud and quid pro quo. Obama didn’t attack lgbtq+ rights and pick some of the worst people to put in every position of authority – supreme court, all departments, etc. Be angry if you want, but don’t be ignorant. Obama isn’t the best of the DNC party; we need better, but willful ignorance won’t get us there.
Obama hasn’t been on a ballot since 2012. What the fuck are you going on about? He didn’t commit any war crimes in 2008 when I voted for him, and he was the incumbent in 2012 with pretty much no serious competition. I wasn’t going to vote for Mott Romney – are you implying you think Mitt Romney was the better choice? Wake the fuck up you tool. Look around. I’m not defending Obama or Biden, but you’re an idiot in absolute terms if you think DNC is the same as the GOP.
Al Gore might have done us some real good. We don’t have to go back too far to see the DNC has put up good people.
Obama most definitely committed war crimes. And the point of my argument goes besides who’s in power now. We were talking about workers voting for politicians that would endanger their own self interests.
Neither the republican and democratic parties do the interests of the working class. It might bean simplified way to put it but it is a fact nonetheless.
Both parties only have at hearth the interests of the same capitalist classes. Both parties are there to protect the profits of Bigpharma, big tech, Unilever etc. That is what they do. Every other policy is only there to get you to vote them, and to keep people divided.
Sure, vote for the liberal candidate if you feel that represents you because of the lgbtq rights, but be sure that another person will be voting the conservative candidate because they also feel represented by one of these “contour” policies these politicians adopt to manipulate us, and in the long run nothing changes. While republicans and democrsts pass each other the ball like 2 buddies playing catch, living conditions get worse for everyone (except the capitalists).
You’re partially incorrect, or at least obfuscating things to support your point. It’s much more complicated than how I believe you’re expressing it.
The human race has an oligarch problem and the U.S. has a two party issue and happens to be were capital has been concentrated for the past ~60 years.
Simply look at past policy decisions, who is repealing precedent, international relations, environmental protections, Supreme Court decisions (and their written opinions) over the last two presidential terms is enough to show the difference between the two parties.
Our problem doesn’t simply lie in our political structure (which is a mathematical guarantee of our government system). There are solutions on the table and the only viable pathway to meaningful change without violence is through voting in the U.S. or you know prolonged violent conflict. My point being the U.S. has a problem with their policymakers and representation for sure.
But let’s be clear here the human race is experiencing oligarchical pressure in so many places more than just the US.
So you think that if Sanders becomes the leader of the democratic party (he won’t), all of the lobbies and all of the billionaires interests that are behind both Democratic and Republican parties, are gonna suddenly disappear? Unfortunately that’s not how it works.
Voting for the democratic party would alsocbe against your self-interest as member of the working class, just as much as republican. You need to realise the US is a one party system, Democratic and Republican are two branches of the same party.
What’s your strategy? Sanders hasnt become the DNC leader yet, so I reject your premise that it can’t work. We’ve seen how the GOP party can change, for the worse. The billionaires will exist in whatever you’re proposing, right up until they don’t exist, so that’s not any kind of counter argument to improving the DNC.
They are not the same party. Wake the fuck up. Maybe you could say that two years ago, but gestures broadly.
What are you gesturing at specifically? Obama put kids in cages too. Obama bombed the middle east too. They are literally the same party, one is served with mayo the other with ketchup, but both are the same dish. The both serve the same ruling class.
I’m not interested in debating against willful ignorance. You’re literally making a false equivalence logical fallacy. Obama didn’t dismantle our institutions. Obama didn’t separate kids from their parents and intentionally not leave a paper trail so as to effectively make the kids orphans. Obama didn’t execute citizens under the guise of immigration enforcement. Obama didn’t commit blatant fraud and quid pro quo. Obama didn’t attack lgbtq+ rights and pick some of the worst people to put in every position of authority – supreme court, all departments, etc. Be angry if you want, but don’t be ignorant. Obama isn’t the best of the DNC party; we need better, but willful ignorance won’t get us there.
Obama is a war criminal, period. I don’t give a fuck he didn’t attack lgbtq. You voted for a war criminal, period.
Obama hasn’t been on a ballot since 2012. What the fuck are you going on about? He didn’t commit any war crimes in 2008 when I voted for him, and he was the incumbent in 2012 with pretty much no serious competition. I wasn’t going to vote for Mott Romney – are you implying you think Mitt Romney was the better choice? Wake the fuck up you tool. Look around. I’m not defending Obama or Biden, but you’re an idiot in absolute terms if you think DNC is the same as the GOP.
Al Gore might have done us some real good. We don’t have to go back too far to see the DNC has put up good people.
Obama most definitely committed war crimes. And the point of my argument goes besides who’s in power now. We were talking about workers voting for politicians that would endanger their own self interests. Neither the republican and democratic parties do the interests of the working class. It might bean simplified way to put it but it is a fact nonetheless.
Both parties only have at hearth the interests of the same capitalist classes. Both parties are there to protect the profits of Bigpharma, big tech, Unilever etc. That is what they do. Every other policy is only there to get you to vote them, and to keep people divided. Sure, vote for the liberal candidate if you feel that represents you because of the lgbtq rights, but be sure that another person will be voting the conservative candidate because they also feel represented by one of these “contour” policies these politicians adopt to manipulate us, and in the long run nothing changes. While republicans and democrsts pass each other the ball like 2 buddies playing catch, living conditions get worse for everyone (except the capitalists).
This is a simple fact, explained simply.
You’re partially incorrect, or at least obfuscating things to support your point. It’s much more complicated than how I believe you’re expressing it.
The human race has an oligarch problem and the U.S. has a two party issue and happens to be were capital has been concentrated for the past ~60 years.
Simply look at past policy decisions, who is repealing precedent, international relations, environmental protections, Supreme Court decisions (and their written opinions) over the last two presidential terms is enough to show the difference between the two parties.
Our problem doesn’t simply lie in our political structure (which is a mathematical guarantee of our government system). There are solutions on the table and the only viable pathway to meaningful change without violence is through voting in the U.S. or you know prolonged violent conflict. My point being the U.S. has a problem with their policymakers and representation for sure.
But let’s be clear here the human race is experiencing oligarchical pressure in so many places more than just the US.