• someguy3@lemmy.world
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    Customers pay the tariffs. And then tax payers (customers) pay for the tariff refunds. Which the corporations pocket because it’s too difficult to return it to the customers.

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    This is the system working as designed. I’m not sure how anyone missed that.

    And while tariffs were in place Amazon was passing on those savings, or lack thereof, to customers. So they mostly didn’t see any losses from paying the tariffs. Then they get refunded, and then it’s less that the government actually paid Amazon anything, they just gave them a reason to charge people extra in shipping, for no good reason.

    Whether those costs were rendered in the shipping cost on Amazon, or by simply marking up the prices so that they could account for those extra costs, doesn’t really matter.

    Consumers ended up paying this bill. The 650M “refund” was just the government exempting them from costs that the government should not have collected from them in the first place.

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    That’s the way it ALWAYS is. Some corporation does something terrible to consumers, and the government fines them a fraction of the profit from the terrible behavior, and then celebrates with a press release about how great they are.

    Meanwhile the consumer is still screwed, the corporation still made a profit on their corruption, and the government got their beak wet.

    When we take it back, these sorts of corporate fines should be much more onerous (minimum $1 billion per count), including confiscation of entire corporations and entire estates, and the money placed in the “America First Fund” (irony intended), to be the seed money for all the Social program we’re going to launch - health care, college/trade school, pre-K, student loan forgiveness, UBI, etc. Use these fines to directly help the people that were hurt by corporate misadventure: the Citizens.

    “Fixing America on their dime, while punishing them for their crime” could be the program’s slogan.

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      “Revolution? Nah, that takes effort and I’m not about to do that!! Next you’ll be wanting me to protest, or something. Pfffft. Plus we all know protesting is almost impossible in today’s age of instant communication…
      Anyway. Listen. Listen. The midterms. We’ll totally destroy them in the midterms. You’ll see. After the midterms they’ll all be leaving the country, or be in prison. Just wait for the midterms, bro!!!”

      • Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world
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        Yes and, any effort to disenfranchise voters from voting is an effort in favor of the red Republican party who is actively doing gestures tiredly at everything

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      Not really, that’s just how it’s been portrayed over time. The American revolution wasn’t led by American workers, it was agitated by the founding American aristocracy who were angry that there was a higher power than them controlling how they made their money. Many of the founding fathers made their fortunes from smuggling operations.

      It’s not like they abolished taxation or gave broad representation to average Americans. The American revolution was a revolution for the rich by the rich. It’s the reason why we have a bicameral Congress, where senators act as overseer over the decisions of the common people. It wasn’t until the 17th amendment passed in 1913 that senators actually started to be elected by the people.

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        Yup, and IIRC the colonies did benefit from the taxation. King George built infrastructure and provided soldiers and shit.

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      really? it was just over who cant keep slaves that was about it. and not something like top vs bottom(aristocrats vs “plebians”

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    “The Democrats caused this by not letting the tariffs go to reducing my income taxes”

    -Future Americans

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    Considering he keeps “ending” the war on Iran to play with oil prices while he buys low sells high; makes me think the price gouging followed by tariff refunds was the real goal all along.

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    Well amazon raised prices to cover the tariffs which means people paid it out of their pockets (even though Trumputan advertised that as some sort of trade leverage). And now people’s tax money is likely being used to pay this refund too. Overall the net effect might be Americans paying more “tax” than the “communist Europe”. I also wonder if Trumputan’s family got some lucrative deals out of this because he was the one pushing the buttons.