I blogged about what happened in June, and the financial overview.
Thank you as always, I really appreciate the breakdowns and transparency. Also thank you for reminding users that you’re all volunteers and actual people running this, I’ve seen a lot of awful entitlement recently and some really unpleasant posts
Yes well you’ll always have that. Luckily that’s greatly outnumbered by the positive feedback /comments.
I’m very pleased to hear that! I’ll stop complaining and adding to the negativity 😌
Appreciate your update and I’m glad to see more people donating.
I’ve been outspoken on my disinterest and resistance to Threads, but you and your team should not have been harrased like that…
That’s wrong regardless, but you guys have clearly been working your asses off to create this space for everyone, and people need to respect that you are doing this on your own free time for the benefit of others.
I feel I’ve leveled heavy criticism against federating with Threads, but this is something to be addressed with open discussion, not emotional reasoning and vitriol…
I see so many users acting like your team has already announced definitively to federate with Threads and that it’s implementation is immediately around the corner. That’s just not true… Instead of jumping to conclusions and throwing threats and tantrums, users should actually voice their concerns if they want them heard… That means arguing points, not threatening or insulting others…
I appreciate everything you guys have done and I’m sorry for how some in our community have acted. With that said, I still desperately hope that Threads is not federated with. But that’s a topic that should continue to be fleshed out within the community in a healthy manner.
Thank you. Nothing is decided yet, but because of moderation limitations on Lemmy and the fact people can’t block domains for their account, I would say chances are we would defederate as soon as they do federate with Lemmy. For Mastodon these 2 arguments aren’t valid so decision might be different.
Totally understandable. I thought the admin response post laid that all out very clearly. I think a lot of users probably only skimmed it/didn’t read it, or were too influenced by their emotional state to have a more objective interpretation.
I think a lot of the users here have such strong emotions because of coming here from reddit, and feeling like they’ve found a new home they like even better, but view the possibility of Threads federation as a threat to their new space.
When there’s strong emotions tied to something, it’s easy for people to lose rationality and slip into emotional reasoning instead of logical reasoning. That’s when a normally well-adjusted person will start insulting, threatening, acting irrationally. That is, if you subscribe to the person-brain model.
The scene in Bad Grampa with the penguin guy is a great example of someone who has lost rationality. He acts in bizarre ways that he otherwise never would have. You can see that he’s rational in how he first starts interacting with Knoxville, but his rationality is eroded as he becomes more upset by Knoxville’s responses.
This kind of response happens with simple discourse online all the time, and it’s so unhealthy… I think it’s just such an emotionally charged topic for some users that they pass their threshold for rationality very quickly.
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The transparency is much appreciated! Thank you and the whole admin/moderation team for everything you are doing to make lemmy.world a success.
Where can one donate? I used to pay for Reddit premium to get rid of ads but I un subbed. I could def pitch in if there was a sub model somewhere.
Hey there! If you read the sidebar for lemmy.world the links to donate are all there 😊
It’s so helpful to see the costs and the raise from donations each month.
Obviously there’s probably a spike associated with people coming from Reddit in traffic and in donations but I think it’s going to be important to keep track of these trends to make sure the team can build a reserve of funds to keep .world’s prospects nice and healthy.
Yes we keep the finances in the blog every month so trends can also be seen.
is it possible to subscribe to the blog somehow?
Media storage costs seem to be pretty high considering how young this instance is. Are you considering adding a size cap (like some other instances) or another solution like rolling deletes in the future?
Media storage is mainly for Mastodon, which has around 10TB of media.
Thanks Ruud and the rest of the team. 👏👏
Hi Ruud, you mention in the linked Lemmy thread that you don’t see how Meta could ever EEE Lemmy.
I was wondering whether you’ve read the following blog post. If not, please do give it a read. It goes over how XMPP was embraced and then killed by Google, and the risks that same strategy poses for the Fediverse. I found it very enlightening.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Hi, thanks! Yes I’ve read that, and I don’t see how that could happen to Lemmy or Mastodon. I’ve see comments that people will follow their friends on Threads and then when Threads disconnects, people will leave Fediverse and join Threads. My question is why would they be on Fediverse and not on Twitter/Facebook, where their friends are now.
I mean I see what happened to XMPP but I don’t see that happening to Lemmy. It’s not the same. But feel free to chat with me about this, maybe I’m wrong and someone can convince me. My Matrix account is in my profile or just use DM.
So I wrote down some of my thoughts below, if you want to chat about it, feel free to leave a comment or DM me. (I don’t have Matrix, sorry)
So the core component of any social network is the network effect. In short, the reason we use Lemmy is because others also use Lemmy. We wouldn’t use it if there was nobody here (with thanks to Spez).
Indeed, that’s why people still use Reddit, Facebook, or any social medium: they don’t care about the platform, but about the people.
If Threads federates with Lemmy, they will instantly dominate the entire space: the most popular communities and most of the user activity will all be over there. (There are already 100M Threads users compared to under 2M Lemmy users, so this is essentially inevitable.)
If Meta would then later decide to defederate, the majority of Lemmings will be cut off from their communities. If in the meantime those communities had become important to them, their hand may be forced to sign up for Threads. Lemmy will survive, but it won’t be the same for most of its users.
Essentially, we have a choice to make: either we welcome Threads and accept that we will be at the whims of Meta for >90% of our communities and content (given their massively higher user count), OR we choose to be independent at the cost of having smaller communities and less content.
I would argue though, that having smaller communities may even be a pro rather than a con. I’ve seen many comments that the smaller scale of the Fediverse feels like a breath of fresh air compared to Reddit (and personally I agree with that).
That would be true if Threads would support communities. Which they don’t. If they ever would (which I don’t think) then this would be a valid point and need consideration.
For Meta, it would be trivial to add support for communities if they wanted, given that they wrote the entire Threads backend in-house anyway.
Also, even if they don’t support communities, their users might (perhaps even unknowingly) still be interacting with the Lemmyverse, just like Mastodon users can.
Thank you for the update :)
Wow, you’re running lemmy.world, mastodon.world, and calckey.world for 1200 EUR/month? Thtat’s kind of incredible. Lemmy.world says you have about 28k MAU (I assume that’s posting/commenting, not just logged-in users?), and mastodon.world says 37k active users (is that daily, weekly, or monthly?) So, that’s 65k active users (out of 200k-300k accounts) at 1.8 cents/month each.
The costs of community owned social media are even less than I had pictured.
Well there’s about 5 to 10 people constantly working on these servers, so if they weren’t volunteers, it would be a lot more… But yeah overall it’s quite efficient so far.
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Being transparent to your community by giving your opinions about thread and giving the total cost of running an instance is impressive to me. Good job to the lemmy.world team
Since this is on writefreely, can we comment on it or something using lemmy?
You just did :-)
But I don’t think you can (yet) do any other interaction from here. You can follow the blog from Mastodon.
But this is just a comment on a link, I can do that on reddit too. I don’t think this comment shows up on the blog itself, does it؟
Can we please have a statement about your financial involvements, or lack of, with meta?
I have no financial involvement with meta.
Thank you :)
Nice to know you arent in METAs pocket.
