• Thales@sh.itjust.works
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      Stop expecting perfection.

      Nobody is perfect. MLK had affairs, the founding fathers owned slaves, Churchill was racist AF, etc.

      She’s doing a great job now and we can educate her the same way we turned Obama from anti-gay marriage.

      We should judge people OVERALL not on stuff like being anti-vax (which to be clear is dumb).

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        I don’t expect perfection…? Being anti-vax is a big deal to me. That’s not a harmless ideology. It’s moronic and anti-science. This isn’t just some little thing I disagree with it’s, in my opinion, a huge moral and intellectual failure. I think it’s completely fair that this gets brought up because it’s directly relevant.

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            I wish we lived in a world where we could count on people to just do the right thing but we don’t. On issues that put everyone at risk I unfortunately have to stand on the side of mandates until people learn how to act. Personally I’d still rather that they just get naturally excluded from society but we’re all too split for that and too many people have to needlessly die in the meantime. I’m aware fighting for women’s rights to choose is kind of hypocritical in this situation but nobody has come up with a better solution that doesn’t just let people be wilfully ignorant and get other people killed in the process.

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        No!

        If even ONE thought in her head disagrees with MY world view then she is useless and NEEDS to be destroyed!

        /s

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          Talking about someone’s glaring flaws isn’t the same as expecting perfection. That’s an intillectually lazy way to see it. Wanting people to only sing the praises of anyone is actually expecting your version of perfection.

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      Yeah. Put me on a pedestal instead. I’ve got some nice ideas. Like what if we made a car with a square steering wheel? I mean we won’t know the downsides until we try.

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      God if there was one message I could forcefully implant into society as a whole it’s this. Well said.

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        Don’t put anyone on a pedestal. Not politicians, not celebrities’, not twitch streamers, not your girlfriend. You can love, respect and even like people, but don’t worship anyone, it leaves you blind to their faults and it’s a pain in the ass being the one on the pedestal in a relationship.

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          You can pass people’s messages around, and the messages that are not about them but that their presence and actions help spread, without putting them on a pedestal.

          Try it for once. It’s fun.

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      I don’t know man. My dad, my teacher and the fireman have no public presence so they won’t be the face of any media workers’ strike. And at least one of the above is also an anti-vaxx and/or an asshole. This lady is just doing her role and I don’t think it makes much sense to undermine her work on this subject because her poor takes on others.

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        But isn’t that what our society does these days? Or at least certain segments of it.

        They take someone who is X and then elevate them to some unreasonably high status that no one person should attain, and then that same society drops them like they’re a hot potato when they find out that the person isn’t perfect.

        To be clear, I don’t disagree with your take. We shouldn’t be undermining someone’s work because of some stupid opinion on this or dumb decision to do that.

        But think about what’s become a rather popular event over the last couple of years. Some actor gets shunned for saying some stupid shit about vaccines. There has been a whole rash of events where statues of people long dead have been taken down. Buildings dedicated to certain people were renamed. Columbus - the poor guy’s legacy has been dragged through the mud because of people who can’t separate the fact that he was a great explorer but he was also a bit of a douchebag.

        We need to stop elevating these people to the level of a deity, and then we won’t be shocked to find out the person was just human and a bit of a womanizer or a prick about money or he didn’t like certain groups all that much. Praise them for their singing or acting or the new world they explored.

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          Was he really a great explorer though? The guy dramatically underestimated the size of the earth and he and his crew probably would’ve died from thirst or starvation or whatever if they hadn’t run smack into the new world halfway to India.

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            By that logic then, the majority of world famous chemists and other scientists out there shouldn’t be heralded as great minds because they only accidentally discovered a certain medicine that cured a disease or a new element or some other new compound that eventually was put to great use.

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      Everyone is a little loopy though. We’re all some flavor of hypocrite too.

      I don’t mind celebrities being on a pedestal, because it is a common reference point for us all when discussing virtue or lack thereof.

      We just all need to be reminded that they are still human and stupid in their own way.