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Taiwan is incredibly pro-US, one of our staunchest allies in Asia, together with Japan. Great idea pissing them off.
How do you ‘piss off’ a vassal state that would instantly collapse (and never would have existed in the first place) without US imperial intervention? What are the consequences of ‘pissing off’ someone completely under your control?
Taiwan’s current government is incredibly pro-US. Trump understands that the DPP’s days are numbered given the rise of the KMT/TPP (which only lost the election because of a last second collapse of coalition). Taiwan’s government is pro-US in spite of the public’s interest, not because of it.
After all, Taiwan’s trade with the mainland and Hong Kong make up almost 50% of all exports. The bulk of this is in basic goods across the Taiwanese economy, not the product of one company.
In the past, Taiwan’s frigid relations with the mainland were due to sour memories (losing the civil war, getting kicked out, etc.) Today? Young people just want a prosperous life, and China is absurdly prosperous - especially for young engineers in tech. The US can either recognize that fact, or drag another country into war.
It’s pretty funny when foreigners care more about your own sovereignty.
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lmfao imagine thinking that being a US protectorate is living in a free country
Do you see the shit going on in the Yuan? The DPP is corrupt and sabotaging Taiwan’s economic growth for no good reason.
Young people want money. A nice house, good food, travel. It’s not that complicated.
Since when is the KMT pro CCP? Since when are they pro subjugation to the PRC? Since when is the KMT communist? Seriously, wtf did I just read
The KMT supports normalization of relations with China. China was perfectly happy with the status quo until the DPP systematically stomped on the status quo and tore it apart
A. That’s not what you said. Normalization of relationship doesn’t mean subjugation
B. If the CCP wanted normalization they wouldn’t be talking about invading Taiwan. They’d be saying “we’re fine with Taiwan existing as their own nation we’re willing to recognize them and sign a peace treaty if they do the same with us”. That’s normalization
C. You’re blaming the victim rather than the aggressor. The CCP are the ones saying they’ll invade, Taiwan are the ones saying they’ll defend themselves. It’s like blaming the Palestinians for Israel’s invasion
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Do you have the memory of a goldfish? Status quo under the previous KMT administration was very healthy. No talks of invasion, lots of talk about economic ties and cultural exchange. It was great, actually. Xi and Ma met, which was the first meeting between leaders since the start of the civil war. Ma is a true statesman and a symbol of what proper Taiwanese governance should be. Peace across the strait was possible for once.
Then, the DPP got elected, started sucking America’s cock, started inviting top US officials for state visits, received awards from American state-funded institutions (like the National Endowment for Democracy), increasingly remilitarized, invited the US to sail through the Taiwan Strait… And the rest is history. Odd how it’s always the US-backed government that’s the “victim” in Western media, isn’t it? Surely China violated the status quo with respect to crossing the median line on their own accord, not because just a few weeks ago a US warship was invited to sail through the strait? Do you even remember what the status quo was?
Taiwan claims territory that conflicts not only with China, but with: Mongolia, Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Japan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Russia, Pakistan, and also Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, and Indonesia. Recognizing Taiwanese sovereignty violates the sovereignty of not only China, but also all of those countries… Which is absurd. Cut the crap and look at a map. ROC sovereignty would basically wipe Mongolia off the map. The funny thing is that Taiwan recognizing the sovereignty of the territory that conflicts with all of these other nations would have no bearing or impact on their sovereignty claim with China itself… Taiwan simply refuses to do so. The only claim that Taiwan cannot make freely is one that shrinks the borders of modern China (e.g. in the Arunachal Pradesh area and the South China Sea), but for everything else they have complete legislative authority to recognize foreign claims (after all, China has already done so, so doing so would not violate One China policy). They won’t, of course, because they refuse to recognize China’s negotiations in those territories as valid.
“They took almost 100 per cent of our chip industry, I give them credit . . . Now we’re giving them billions of dollars to build new chips in our country, and then they’re going to . . . bring it back to their country,” Trump said.
Capitalism is fine when USA can benefit from it, but bad when it hurts them, eh? Fucking hypocrit.
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Unfortunately this is an empty campaign promise. We saw from his first term that he’s going to toe the NATSEC line when it comes to encroachment on China.
This is likely just stock manipulation. Interview was in June, and just now released the day before TSMCs earnings report.
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3 minutes into browsing this evening and already found the Russian shrill 😞
He should pay for his own defense.
yeah, best presidential candidate Russia has
Why is Russia so good at this? They have so much less money, so many fewer people, they were completely demolished 30 years ago, and they are shot through with corruption. How could they be so effective at controlling USA politicians and the USA electoral system and the USA Congress and the USA media when the USA spends far more on propaganda, far more on espionage, far more on media, far more on their military, far more on international relations, and has more people and has much longer unbroken period of prosperity and has more control over the world’s resources and has more influence over the world governments?
It just doesn’t make sense. How is Russia this good?
How could they be so effective at controlling USA politicians and the USA electoral system and the USA Congress and the USA media
It just doesn’t make sense.
Maybe because they don’t control it, and it is propaganda from people within the USA, telling you that you should vote for their party instead of the other party? :)
That’s a bingo
I suspected that it might have been sarcasm and still got baited 🤦♂ Well played :)
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Arming Taiwan is a pathway to war.
Standing up to tyranny is often a pathway to violence.
The United goddamn States is not fucking standing up to tyranny lol
That’s why US hegemony must be resisted at all costs.
War will happen between China and Taiwan regardless. Just like China vs Hong Kong.
There was no war between China and Hong Kong?
Hong Kong was always going to happen because that was an agreed upon conclusion. China violated promises that it made (one country, two systems my ass), but Hong Kong was a part China. Taiwan has never been under the control of the current government of mainland China. At this point Taiwan would likely be a separate country if it didn’t have China’s dagger at its throat telling it that even a breath of declaring independence will result in immediate invasion.
Reunification will happen, like Hong Kong.
I don’t remember Hong Kong starting WW3 though. 🤔
Reunification will happen, like Hong Kong.
regardless if the people wanted it or not, yay for Xi…
also a reunification War doesn’t have to surmount to a World War.
What are you fucking talking about. Hong Kong has always been part of China. The imperialist monarchical tyranny of Great Britain forcibly occupied Hong Kong and separated it from Chinese governance on a temporary contractual basis. Once that contract was up, Hong Kong was once again part of China but instead of completely overturning everything in Hong Kong, the Chinese government established a way of working called “One Country, Two Systems” that is making the transition away from the dynastic monarchy of unapologetic genocidal racists easier for the people of Hong Kong.
The fact that the youth of Hong Kong decided to protest part of this process is a function of British propaganda. The protestors elders were not in support of the protests and some even threw their kids out of their homes for their participation. Meanwhile, the protesters in Hong Kong were incredibly violent for a prolonged period of time and the response from the Chinese government was incredibly sedate, patient, and considerate, especially compared to literally anything the USA has done domestically when people protest for the rights of black people.
Your narrative is fantastical with little to no basis in reality.
Colonialism seems to leave quite a mindfuck on local populations themselves. The young people I knew from Hong Kong (at the time since this was a long time ago) considered themselves British. Ethnically Chinese yeah but if you asked they were British. If the locals can be propagandized by invaders it’s pretty easy to convince western zeitgeist that Hong Kong was anything but an occupied region of China.
A war between Taiwan and China would absolutely become a World War.
Reunification can be peaceful like it was with Hong Kong.
This is satire right?
can always rely on lemmy.world accounts to say the dumbest shit possible 😂
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
It’s fucking unhinged
