Old Joe’s got everybody mad at him. Elites. Big money donors. Etc. Everybody it seems bur Democratic voters. Polls are the same as before the debate.
Because those votes are mainly votes against Trump and even a trash can would probably pull in similar protest votes. All the more reason the idea of a better candidate that people are even slightly more enthusiastic over could push those numbers up
Yeah.
The vast majority willing to vote for Biden, would vote “blue no matter who”.
Which means logically, switching candidates is the smartest plan if all that matters is stopping trump.
But a very small, very vocal group of Biden voters (and even Biden) seem to be lying about what’s most important. I still can’t believe Biden really said he wouldn’t care if he lost.
If they can’t get Biden. A Republican is their second pick.
They just won’t admit it.
But it’s the only logical reason people would be insisting it has to be Biden. Just like Joe, they don’t care if trump wins.
Personally i think they’re just as scared as we are. They’re just too fucking old to have a realistic picture of the political landscape. Gen X is going to get us all killed.
Bruh, gen X isn’t in charge of shit…
You know Biden and a lot of party leaders are still the generation ahead of Baby Boomers, right?
The youngest boomers are 60, how many party leaders calling the shots are significantly under 60?
Therein lies the rub. There aren’t any democrats that poll better.
There aren’t any democrats that poll better
Factually untrue.
This has Biden down 6 points. And Kamala only down 2.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html
But your comparing Biden as “the candidate” with the DNC and millions of dollars of campaign against people that haven’t even said they’re willing to run…
Obviously anyone else that becomes the candidate would see a significant boost to their numbers both short and long term.
But others also are polling closer (better) than Biden…
Several other Democrats have been mentioned as potential Biden replacements in recent days, and each trails Trump among registered voters, with their levels of support similar to Biden’s, including California Gov. Gavin Newsom (48% Trump to 43% Newsom), Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg (47% Trump to 43% Buttigieg), and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (47% Trump to 42% Whitmer).
That’s 4 people polling better than Biden in the last couple days…
Weird you haven’t seen it yet.
Old Joe’s got everybody mad at him. Elites. Big money donors. Etc.
To be fair, having those particular groups mad at you should be considered a good thing.
But it’s the opposite of what’s happening…
Can you name a single party leader or billionaire who has stopped supporting Biden this election?
Like, I know some party members and some donors have…
But no party leaders have said he needs to step down, and while some donors have, they’re relatively tiny compared to the actual big money donors.
Yea I’m so elite. That’s why I barely survive paycheck to paycheck, don’t have healthcare, don’t have much with regards to retirement funds, and have to ration my food. And I’m fucking 33.
Fuck you, you elitist old man. Democratic elite are showing their true colors, that they don’t give a fuck about us. We are trying to tell him that he’s going to lose to a fascist with his shitty debate performance, and he’s pretending it didn’t happen and trying to gaslight us. It’s not that we want trump because we don’t. But we are worried that his shit performance will depress the vote into not voting, which is a very real threat and will lead to fascism.
If we fall into fascism it won’t be the voters fault, it’ll be the fault of the elite ruling class. We didn’t have to go in this direction, but we have been going here because Republicans keep going further authoritarian and the Democratic party barely tries to push back.
Whoaaaa…
Are you saying voters aren’t going to respond well to Biden telling them their concerns aren’t valid and no matter what he’s not listen to them?!
“I’m getting so frustrated by the elites in the party” calling on him to step down, the president fumed. “I don’t care what the millionaires think.”
Reminder the majority of party leaders and billionaire donors are the only ones still supporting him…
He’s just bald face lying to voters. Or he’s so far gone he really believes it
When the patient starts getting prefrontal cortex damage (including for normal age related issues) the patient often can’t handle any criticism and responds to any criticism (no matter how valid) with belligerence.
It’s the same if it’s a TBI, alcohol/drugs, lead poisoning, literally any of the shit ton of things that effect the prefrontal cortex.
Biden is reacting to all of this in exactly the same way anyone else in his shoes would.
But that’s a problem and even more reason to replace him
In the next four years he won’t get better, he’ll keep getting worse. And I think we can all agree there has already been a large change just since 2020.
This is way overdramatic for what Biden has actually said.
overdramatic
Wait…
Are we at the “it’s ok if trump wins” that Biden said in Fridays interview?
Or are we back to reality where a second trump term is an existential threat to American democracy.
Because if we’re back in reality. I don’t see how taking the threat of Biden losing seriously is “overdramatic”. If anything, I’d say Biden is being “under dramatic”.
Do you overstand?
Clearly he’s got aides helping him do most stuff. That’s not unheard of for any political official, but I imagine he’s just going along with it like Reagan at the end of his term.
When he’s by himself on a debate podium, you can see he’s not doing great.
However, Trump is worse. They’re two old men and you can see Biden is a calm older man slowly slipping. Trump is mad at everyone and everything, refuses help, and requires everyone to be a sycophant around him to placate his ego. The only way people get what they want out of him is to steer the bull in the direction of the China shop they want destroyed. He’s an old man yelling at the TV, and we all have to hear him.
That said, one of them can, will, and has done more damage than the other. That’s why I’d vote for Biden. The meme of “live Biden > dead Biden > dead Trump > live Trump” comes to mind.
meme of “live Biden > dead Biden > dead Trump > live Trump” comes to mind
Those aren’t the only four options…
If the DNC Americaned up and booted Biden, they can nominate a live and competent person, who would easily win by simply not being trump AND not being Biden.
Ok, who?
They’d need name recognition, money, and influence to catch up. Who do you think would be a good pick that seems interested in the job?
They’d need name recognition, money, and influence to catch up
They’d be a household name in 48 hours max.
Unless Biden acts like a spoiled toddler, he’d hand over every penny. Even if he didn’t, most is in the BVF which is mostly controlled by the DNC. Lots of people, big and small, would donate to stop trump, that’s where a lot of Biden’s money is already coming from. Not being trump.
What influence is needed?
They have a pulse and arent named trump or Biden… That’s enough these days
Who do you think would be a good pick that seems interested in the job?
Anyone besides Hillary Clinton should be able to pull it off.
But I don’t see the DNC appointing anyone but Kamala.
I didn’t downvote you, but thanks for downvoting me and not answering the question.
But I don’t see the DNC appointing anyone but Kamala.
And I downvoted you because that question has been asked so many times, it doesn’t contribute to any discussion.
I don’t know why people care about votes tho.
