Lemmy.ml has now blocked threads.net / Meta - Lemmy
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It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml] admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it’s users will not be allowed to proceed. We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.
      • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        1 year ago

        Thats unfortunate. I’ll be moving instances then. Giving Meta a chance is a lot like giving a mosquito a chance to not suck your blood.

        • bluefirex@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1016·
          1 year ago

          This behavior is why the fediverse alienate users and makes it hostile for new people to join.

          They didn’t do anything, yet. Give them the chance but start with 2 strikes on their account already. They fuck up, THEN you defederate. Innocent until proven otherwise.

          Edit: go on, downvote me. Show me your face. Show me how you’re all against growth on Lemmy and niceness to each other.

          • Pyro@lemmy.worldEnglish
            12·
            1 year ago

            Innocent until proven otherwise.

            Corporations like Meta have shown time and time again that they cannot be trusted to play nice with anyone else. Have we already forgotten about Cambridge Analytica or the plethora of other scandals they’ve been at the center of? The proof has been in plain view for a while now.

            • bluefirex@lemmy.worldEnglish
              17·
              1 year ago

              They don’t get more data because they’re federated. They literally the exact same amount of data as they do know just by scraping mastodon or Lemmy. They’re an even player in this market. Somehow you all keep forgetting that. If you don’t want meta do have data from activity pub, you being here already violates that ideal.

              • Pyro@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                1 year ago

                Okay, but that doesn’t address any of the points I brought up.

                You said to give Meta a chance. The rest of us are broadly gesturing at all the shit they’ve done in the past, and how we want as little to do with that as possible.

                • bluefirex@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  04·
                  1 year ago

                  There is nothing they can do to fuck up your experience, ESPECIALLY on Lemmy though. Threads is a completely different concept from Lemmy and activity pub is well defined.

                  The only thing they could do is just not moderate threads and therefore putting spam in everyone’s feeds. That’s about it. I don’t think they’re leaving that unmoderated.

          • Ulu-Mulu-no-die@lemmy.worldEnglish
            111·
            1 year ago

            Innocent until proven otherwise.

            There are many years of proof already about facebook/meta acting very maliciously, actively breaking laws and being fined for it, is that not proof enough? How many more do you need before you can say they’re not innocent at all?

          • HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            5·
            10 months ago

            Innocent until proven otherwise is a concept for criminal court.

            We aren’t putting someone in jail, we are looking at their past business practices and deciding not to do business with them based on their obvious habits.

          • Ben Hur Horse Race@lemm.eeEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            If you disagree with me, we’ll then you’re just against niceness, admit you are! Admit you’re against niceness!

      • sudo@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
        141·
        1 year ago

        “until something happens”

        I suppose Metas history of actively being a bad actor working against societies best interests and enabling hate groups doesn’t qualify as ‘something’…

            • bennysp@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              11 months ago

              This is great. Then all the people complaining that lemmy.world is “too big” can now be appeased with others leaving lemmy.world. Glad to see the community solve each other’s problems organically! :)

        • Favrion@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          How do you do that? I’m subscribed to like 50 conmunities. Would I have to start all over? That doesn’t sound like it’s worth it.

                • smoysauce@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  0·
                  1 year ago

                  Thanks for the feedback. The username and password are indeed correct. I copied and pasted from Bitwarden and used the exact same ones to login to the lemmy.ml site. I do wonder if there is some sort of anti-bot measures that Colonel Sanders mentioned below.

                  Also: I tried just my username vs email but neither worked and I also don’t have MFA enabled yet. Super weird.

                  EDIT: opened an issue on Github: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim/issues/4

          • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            1 year ago

            Honestly it isn’t. Nothing about the Fediverse is private or inherently secure in that way. Everything is public. And you should assume that everything you publish through activity pub could eventually be looked at by anyone. If you want private or secure messaging there are non-activity pub open source secure alternate. In fact signing up for Lemmy there’s even a field to enter for one. Whether or not a server federates with meta. Meta is still going to data mine the ever-loving shit out of all of them. The point is. None of us are at Meta’s wim about being flooded with their toxic content.

            Honestly I want to see meta flooded with our content. So much anti-threads anti Meta sentiment. Actual leftists. And not just make believe right-wing liberals who’ve been conditioned to think that they are left. It would be hilarious to watch Meta try to play wack-a-mole sanitizing everything. To please their reptilian corporate overlords. And if you don’t care and just don’t want to see it. You can always block them personally. Why let them data mine in peace. I say we make them work for it.

            • Zaktor@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              I’m not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed.

  • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    1 year ago

    This is not particularly surprising. Lemmy was started as an anti-corporate project by leftists after /r/chapotraphouse got quarantined and later banned (subreddit for the most popular podcast and most donated patreon at the time), with the explicit goal of preventing corporate control from being able to silence leftists when they’re blasting off. CTH was skyrocketing in subscribers at the time it was quarantined on August 8th 2019, and when even quarantining didn’t stop its growth or slow down its activity afterwards Reddit pulled the plug under the excuse it promoted violence, but the only particularly edgy thing ever said there was “slave owners should be killed” and support for John Brown. This evolved post-ban into the assessment that Spez banned it because he wants to own slaves.

    When that happened there was a massive shift in the leftist parts of reddit as we very quickly realised we’d be targeted if reddit ever deemed us to be too successful, and projects like Lemmy began in reaction. CTH’s community in fact moved to Lemmy 3 years ago, and resides on Hexbear.net but has not yet joined the rest of federated lemmy due to technical issues (it used to be a fork with a different front end).

    Given lemmy’s specific anti-corporate origins seeing Lemmy.ml do this should surprise nobody. It’s the correct move anyway.

    • Nobody@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      1 year ago

      Always love to hear the deep lore. Lemmy’s early development makes a lot more sense now. Good on them(you) to leave everything open and learn from Reddit’s mistakes.

      Still, free and open has a limit. No Facebook and no Nazis. That’s just common sense everyone used to have.

        • Serdan@lemm.eeEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          I have this theory that people who complain about everyone being called nazis, have themselves been called a nazi.

          Why do people call you a nazi, hmm?

          • dustojnikhummer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            01·
            1 year ago

            So you admit that Antifa are as Nazis like Maga are? Or are rightoids worse for some arbitrary reason again?

            • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              Antifa are not ultranationalists. The vast majority are anarchists and communists, which are internationalist ideologies. Literally the polar opposite.

            • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.worldEnglish
              01·
              1 year ago

              You could call them an authoritarian paramilitary group, but they’re not nazis. That doesn’t automatically make them good, it’s just that nazism is a specific political ideology.

                • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  01·
                  1 year ago

                  I’ve yet to meet an anarchist following anything like a coherent ideology in that respect. They all seem very eager to impose themselves on others. I suppose one guy took a more academic position, but still seemed to idolise violence. Maybe the authority is decentralised, but frequently wielded as explicit force. Not far from libertarianism in that regard. Doesn’t appeal.

      • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        Naw that was way sooner, over on the_donald. That subreddit also got banned at the same time as CTH but had been dead for months by that point because they all moved to [DONOTVISIT]thedonald . win(now a virus site) followed by patriots.win. It was basically their way of softening the CTH shit and trying to make it less of an obvious attack on the leftist (non liberal) spaces of reddit. Nobody fell for it.

    • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Not leftists, Stalinists; The sort of people who end up killing all the other leftists any chance they think they might be close to taking power.

    • BattleGrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      Yes please! No more power to evil corporations. I don’t want my server to add interaction to them and help drive their agenda.

      • Haggunenons@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        I clicked this link in the Jerboa app and it opened into my browser where I wasn’t signed in. Is it not possible yet to have lemmy links automatically open into the Jerboa app or is there a setting somewhere that I am missing?

  • fross@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    1 year ago

    It’s not about Zuckerberg, it’s about the userbase. With something that grew to 30 million users literally overnight, it’s impossible to determine what it will be like, and how it will mesh with the existing fediverse content/users.

    With something this scale, it only makes sense to secure and observe - pre-emptively block, watch the content, maybe even poll the users on what should be done. There is nothing to be lost this way, it’s only a cautious approach towards a potential later link.

    What could be lost is the Threads community overwhelms the lemmy community before there is a chance to react (it is 1000x bigger, after all). It makes sense to be cautious, here.

    This isn’t inconveniencing anyone, any user can make an account on Threads as well and use both right now.

    • lagomorphlecture@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      I don’t think threads actually has 30 million users. They have some paid shills, probably a lot of their own bots, some people who legit joined to see what it was about, and a bunch of Instagram users who had accounts created automatically. I’m not positive about the last point but if you can’t delete threads without deleting Instagram then I’m sure they’re going to leverage their Instagram userbase as much as possible here.

    • God@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      Fun thoughts and all but that isn’t the reason why they’re blocking it. It’s because Facebook is bad. Corporation, big, embrace, expand, extinguish, evil. Plenty of explanations around about why these blocks happened. However you’re also right. If it were very small like a 15k people instance and it didn’t carry corporations inside maybe they’d consider not blocking.

    • Ulu-Mulu-no-die@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      If I wanted to see facebook shit I would use facebook, I stopped using whatsapp when it was bought by facebook, I don’t want to see their content overwhelming the fediverse, that’s why I’m here instead of there.

      • fross@lemmy.worldEnglish
        01·
        1 year ago

        I don’t agree with this notion of “facebook content” vs “fediverse” content or anything like that. Content is just content, it’s links, it’s media, whatever. It’s not “facebook shit” any more than reddit shit or lemmy shit. Content is a by-product of the users, so who/what the userbase is is extremely important - and that is why how it is marketed, who it appeals to and so forth, and the relative scale. thousands of lemmy users being drowned out by millions of Threads users, who are a different demographic, have different goals for the platform, and so forth, is the real issue.

        You acknowledge that you have moved on from platforms when facebook/meta have got involved, and you’re welcome to take your decisions on this, but it runs into problems in a federated environment where the goal is to increase interoperability by default.

        Don’t get me wrong, I think our goals are the same, to have an environment where people can talk and share links that is relatively exclusive / for like-minded people. I just don’t think the angle of facebook/not facebook is the right one (tbh I would go further - I would not integrate, but not because of the provenance/company, but because of the users’ expectations coming over from Threads)

        • Ulu-Mulu-no-die@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Content is just content, it’s links, it’s media, whatever

          Content is not all the same, there’s quality content and there’s shitposting.

          “facebook content” is mostly - to me - shitposting, astroturfing, botting, propaganda, etc. as reddit has become lately, while lemmy content is mostly quality discussions.

          I don’t want shitposting burying quality content here, that’s what will happen if we don’t do anything about it.

          Not to mention corporate control, look what happened to reddit, and look at how many scandals there are about faceboook (now meta) as a company, why do you think they want to join the fediverse, they don’t give a crap about quality, their only interest is in monetizing stuff, embrace - extend - extinguish, I don’t want ANY of that happening to lemmy.

    • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      Or make an account on an instance which chooses to federate with threads 😂

  • jafo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    (Apparently) Unpopular Opinion: I think defederating Threads is the wrong move, because it just locks people into Threads. If people on Twitter had the ability to move to Mastodon AND still interact with all the people they did before, I think we would have seen even more people move. The only reason I still check twitter at all is because I have a few close friends who didn’t move. Meta is likely going to have big adoption of people who aren’t ready to go to Mastodon, but are interested in getting out of the dumpster-on-fire that twitter seems to continue to be. But blocking those people from being able to join the more popular Lemmy instances, given no actual policy violations, just will keep people in Meta that otherwise could leave. With the “however” being: It’s not quite clear to me that Threads users will be interacting with Lemmy as much Mastodon, if Threads were a Reddit replacement, it’s more directly connected.

  • nyternic@lemmy.worldEnglish
    41·
    1 year ago

    Look, Mark has royally screwed up Facebook. Any respect or honor with the guy has long been lost. Why even give him a second chance when it’s obvious he’s going to do the same thing with Threads?

    His Metaverse failed. His Facebook/Meta thing failed.

    He is a huge red alert to be involved or close to the very things we’re trying to recover and escape to from things he has contaminated. Why chance associating with him?

  • Seperis@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    Hard agree.

    I don’t really think federating with them is doomsday, tbh (though I go back and forth on this one), but that doesn’t affect my primary reason for my nope. Threads consolidates everything I hate about corporate social media–and for that matter, all social media–without a single part I actually liked and made dealing with the other parts worth it. This is not a twitter clone; it’s like someone asked chatGPT to create a social media network based on twitter for other chatGPT bots to talk to each other. For fuck’s sake, it doesn’t think its users should control what they see on their own feed.

    I am perfectly willing–even eager–to perform melodramatically about things that annoy me in public for fun and when I’m bored and applaud others doing the same; it’s fun times for all and possibly my favorite thing ever. This is not that.

    Threads makes my skin crawl on concept. This is not ‘they do not align with our values’ because come on, Fediverse contains a multitude of values and invents more and i bet if asked, everyone here would list off a different set of values they believe encompass Fediverse and now I’m tempted to see because it would be hilarious. But we can’t even get that far; Threads has no values. This would be a marriage of convenience to a real doll fueled by Facebook’s algorithms and sponsored by Wal-Mart; whether or not it’s a danger to Fediverse shouldn’t even have come up because the first question that should be on anyone’s minds is ‘wait, this is actually a serious question?’ and have been answered ‘lol of course it’s a joke, I just forgot to add the /s’.

    I’m still waiting for that /s.

  • vvvvv@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    I don’t know. I would like to subscribe to someone on Threads from Mastodon (since both are Twitter alternatives), if they don’t have Mastodon account (which let’s be honest they probably don’t). Zuck does not get any of my data (besides what’s available publicly anyway). If Threads decides to go full EEE, I’ll stop getting updates from people on Threads, same as I don’t get updates from people on IG right now. I think proliferation of ActivityPub protocol would be the greatest advantage.

    Moreover, I think we should follow the email architecture - I might use i.e. Proton Mail, but it does not prevent me from sending emails to Gmail, which I think is a bad provider, who collects a lot of user data. In fact if Proton Mail forbade sending email to Gmail I would be really displeased about that.

    The goal is to allow people to choose where they want to go and ActivityPub is what can help with that, unlike blocking Threads.

    • the_green_bastard@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I couldn’t agree more. Racing to block Threads when it’s completely unclear if Threads will even actually ever federate and what the implications of them federating will even be seems incredibly short sighted. Imagine how much innovation would have been lost on the internet if web server admins raced to block Google Chrome from accessing their content because they have some personal beef with Google.

  • exocortex@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    How does that work? Is threads using a protocol compatible to lemmy? (And I fully agree with the preemptive blocking of any facebook stuff).

    Edit: thanks for all the detailled answers.

    So Facebook tries the old EEE - Embrace Extend Extinguish. 1.A big company is Embracing an open source standard ("we’re friendly, see?) They get a lot of users that way - even the open source savvy types. 2.they start Extending that standard “to make it even better” - but not talking about these changes with the rest of the community first. They cannot react quickly enough and become incompatible with the new version of this standard. 3.Extinguish. When all the users are effectively using the big companies platform with something that isn’t the original standard anymore they change it so much that it isn’t compatible at all anymore or replace it completely.

    • Rhabuko@feddit.deEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      Yes. Threads wants to use the ActivityPub Protokoll. We can interact with Kbin and Mastodon users thanks to this Protocol. The fear is that they use their huge user base to change the protocol to their liking (basically take control over the ActivityPub) and everyone who wants to stay federated with them and their users has to adapt those changes until the day they will simply cut everyone off.

      • HopperMCS@twisti.caEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        When they do go that route, I propose the community fork the standard and continue work that way. We already do this with code.

  • LazyBane@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    Ideologically, de-federating an instance just because you don’t like the guy running it would be a bad thing, but Facebook/Meta has been just so toxic to the internet as a whole it’s hard to really find fault with it.

    • lagomorphlecture@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Ideologically, I find more fault in inviting meta to the playground than locking them out. They are the very definition of an evil corporation and no good can come of it.

      • jaaval@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Pragmatically, twitter style system requires a large networked userbase to be useful for most of the population, otherwise people are tooting into the void in mastodon. So even if I have to work with some soulless corporations to get there I think it’s a net positive. For lemmy i don’t think threads matters much.

    • paintbucketholder@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Yup.

      Facebook has been around for almost two decades.

      This is not some unknown guy - we know exactly what Facebook’s business strategy and ethical and moral conduct looks like.