Democrats just won their biggest electoral victory of the second Trump era. And Elon Musk lost big.

  • entwine413@lemm.ee
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    Yeah, it’s pretty naive to think that the party of, “every accusation is a confession,” who screamed about election fraud for 4 years didn’t commit election fraud.

    Musk lotteries, bullet ballots being orders of magnitude higher than previous years only in swing states, bomb threats in blue areas and judges not extending voting times to accommodate, Trump saying Musk was going to help him out and voting machines using Starlink internet, etc.

    • Habahnow@sh.itjust.works
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      2 days ago

      I feel it’s also pretty naive to believe generalizations such as “every accusations is a confession” are perfectly representative. Sure that saying applies a lot to Republicans, but it doesn’t mean its a rule.

      I will admit, when I hear election fraud I understand the term to mean, directly subverting election rules. This would entail: changing votes, tallying votes incorrectly, accepting fraudulent votes willingly etc. I don’t believe Trump and company did any of these things, or if they did, not enough to make an impact on the election. I’m willing to accept evidence to the contrary.

      Reading the definition of election fraud, it also can include the examples you mentioned (which i would say isn’t in my original and incorrect understanding of election fraud). I do agree that Trump and his team did do many things that subvert a free election including some that you said such as the Musk lotteries, the bomb threats in blue areas, allowing laws that make voting harder in blue areas, etc.

      The reason I’m expanding on what kind of election fraud I believe Trump committed is because some of it has evidence, and others (Trump/Musk directly changing votes/not counting votes) just doesn’t have any evidence. I would imagine Democrats and reporters would be very eager to publish this kind of evidence if it existed, but I don’t know of any reliable news organization talking about this. I feel it ultimately servers as a distraction and actually normalizes the idea of election fraud in the form of changing votes.