Same argument that was made for gay people sharing locker rooms, bigots never get new material. If you’re not comfortable sharing a bathroom with someone, then, ya know, you don’t have to use it.
Why is it queer people have to suffer for bigotry? Why not just be less of a bigot?
To be totally honest: I like the current divided setup for the purely selfish reason of the men’s toilet being less occupied than the women’s toilet at most places with a lot of people.
But that would mean that in average it would be a net benefit to use non divided ones, since then the empty stalls would be used.
You’d have to smooth that over with the people who have problems sharing bathrooms with the opposite sex and the businesses that have to build the infrastructure.
There are plenty of places where nobody cares, like campgrounds. But there are other places where people care a lot, like schools.
There will always be somebody who doesn’t like something. But you normalize things and then people adapt.
They like it better because they feel it is more private.
Nobody cares about washing their hands or fixing thier hair or whatever in front of others, and the appreciate that when they are doing the business part their is a completely private space.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that there is any context in which your interlocutor would accept trans people being treated like people.
Oh, are we banning Christians from bathrooms on the basis that you disagree with them? Maybe Muslims make you uncomfortable and you don’t want them near women?
Sincerely, what is your argument here, “I don’t believe you, so what you said is invalid it’s a religion.”? Trans women are women. I don’t understand how that is a debate or why you think it’s equivalent to some religion, it’s an assertion of identity.
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Lots of people think their beliefs are true even if they might not be. It’s bigoted of you to think your beliefs are absolute fact while discrediting the beliefs of others.
Religious people use the same tactics to persecute those they disagree with.
Well, anyone who disagrees is banned so you don’t really get to see different perspectives.
I guess it’s all intentional. You don’t want people discussing it because in your head the discussion is already done and you don’t want anyone to disagree with a conclusion that you like. Pretty scummy, but that’s to be expected.
I’m not trying to justify their reasons, so there’s not much of a point in trying to argue with me.
If you think women have no reason to be afraid or uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with men, that’s fine. A significant portion of them will disagree with you, though. If you are unsure of or question their reasoning, you’d be better off communicating with them since I do not share their sentiment.
Edit: I just got a reply from RedSeries saying trans women are afraid to share bathrooms with men. Perhaps you can discuss with she/her about the merits on why.
In the scenario I described to you trans people are much more comfortable than have 2 sex bathrooms.
A single sex bathroom means there is no choice that need to be made. They do not have to present as anything, nor be judged as anything. It is simply a person in a public room, and a private room for the private time.
It also means (as I described it) the sharing of the hand washing mirror facilities are barely different than being in the hallway. Do people share hallways? Of course. So this open to the public space adds a level of protection.
Then for the private space it is single use. One person.
I feel like I am having a hard time getting this across, and I don’t know why.
A lot of women/girls would be uncomfortable with having to share a bathroom with men/boys.
They can always stay home
Same argument that was made for gay people sharing locker rooms, bigots never get new material. If you’re not comfortable sharing a bathroom with someone, then, ya know, you don’t have to use it.
Why is it queer people have to suffer for bigotry? Why not just be less of a bigot?
A lot of people are uncomfortable with bigots leaving reddit and joining lemmy.
You put the handwashing station in an open area, visible to the hallway.
You put floor to cieling stalls for the actual doing your business part.
I have been to a lot of places that do this and nobody cares. It is an added level of safety that you are either in private or visible to passers by.
To be totally honest: I like the current divided setup for the purely selfish reason of the men’s toilet being less occupied than the women’s toilet at most places with a lot of people.
But that would mean that in average it would be a net benefit to use non divided ones, since then the empty stalls would be used.
You’d have to smooth that over with the people who have problems sharing bathrooms with the opposite sex and the businesses that have to build the infrastructure.
There are plenty of places where nobody cares, like campgrounds. But there are other places where people care a lot, like schools.
I just visited a high school that does exactly this, and no one cares.
In fact they like it better.
That’s great.
Does that mean nobody cares anywhere else?
It’s also impressive that such a consensus can be reached among dozens to hundreds of students. Not a single person cares? They all like it better?
There will always be somebody who doesn’t like something. But you normalize things and then people adapt.
They like it better because they feel it is more private.
Nobody cares about washing their hands or fixing thier hair or whatever in front of others, and the appreciate that when they are doing the business part their is a completely private space.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that there is any context in which your interlocutor would accept trans people being treated like people.
Guess what? Trans women also don’t feel comfortable using men’s bathrooms or sharing bathrooms with men. Because trans women are women.
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It’s the truth, not a belief.
Yeah, religious people say the same things.
Well unlike religion, science supports this truth. Decades of science and listening to trans people and their lived experiences.
Oh, are we banning Christians from bathrooms on the basis that you disagree with them? Maybe Muslims make you uncomfortable and you don’t want them near women?
Sincerely, what is your argument here, “I don’t believe you, so what you said is invalid it’s a religion.”? Trans women are women. I don’t understand how that is a debate or why you think it’s equivalent to some religion, it’s an assertion of identity.
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Can you be more civil?
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Lots of people think their beliefs are true even if they might not be. It’s bigoted of you to think your beliefs are absolute fact while discrediting the beliefs of others.
Religious people use the same tactics to persecute those they disagree with.
Wow, the mods literally banned this person for saying “That’s your belief and you’re entitled to it.”
If that’s not mod abuse to support an agenda, I don’t know what is.
Maybe it’s because trans women are women
Well, anyone who disagrees is banned so you don’t really get to see different perspectives.
I guess it’s all intentional. You don’t want people discussing it because in your head the discussion is already done and you don’t want anyone to disagree with a conclusion that you like. Pretty scummy, but that’s to be expected.
What do you think a trans woman is, if not a woman?
There is no point debating with people whose views exist on the same side as the nazis currently occupying the US.
Because trans women are women.
So anyone who thinks trans women aren’t the same as normal women are nazis?
Anyone who describes this as “trans” vs “normal” could do with reflecting a bit more before expecting others to engage with their views.
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Your comment was removed for endorsing transphobia, now you’re temp banned for repeating it.
That’s weird cuz most of them do it at home.
Not with strangers and not at the same time.
Are you implying that in public restrooms people share the same stall?
Also the strangers thing ain’t exactly solved by having one gender bathroom is it? So that seems like a moot point to me.
No, they share the same room.
I’m not trying to justify their reasons, so there’s not much of a point in trying to argue with me.
If you think women have no reason to be afraid or uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with men, that’s fine. A significant portion of them will disagree with you, though. If you are unsure of or question their reasoning, you’d be better off communicating with them since I do not share their sentiment.
Edit: I just got a reply from RedSeries saying trans women are afraid to share bathrooms with men. Perhaps you can discuss with she/her about the merits on why.
In the scenario I described to you trans people are much more comfortable than have 2 sex bathrooms.
A single sex bathroom means there is no choice that need to be made. They do not have to present as anything, nor be judged as anything. It is simply a person in a public room, and a private room for the private time.
It also means (as I described it) the sharing of the hand washing mirror facilities are barely different than being in the hallway. Do people share hallways? Of course. So this open to the public space adds a level of protection.
Then for the private space it is single use. One person.
I feel like I am having a hard time getting this across, and I don’t know why.
Because they’re just moving the goalposts until you “slip” and say something that confirms their biases against you. Being “right” is never the goal.