Apparently, Ukrainian drones pushed through and started a chain reaction.
Explosions reportedly continued for hours, and authorities evacuated nearby settlements. Initial reports indicate that the site, previously protected by one of Russia’s densest air defense networks, suffered catastrophic damage.
Is there a particular reason I only ever see ukraine positive war stuff? And when I see negative ukraine war stuff it’s coming out of trumps mouth?
No, I don’t follow it religiously.
Because Russia doesn’t go after strategic targets. Only civilians and because (at least in Europe) the vast majority of people fucking hate Russia. Especially countries that share a border with them or used to be part of the soviet union. Nobody hates Russia more than Russians who have managed to get out though. I had a russian colleague who basically gave up on seeing his family until after the war was over and he has no intention of ever living there after.
Negative stuff does come out from time to time, especially when Russia makes big advances, but the underdog effect means that Ukraine typically gets more attention and media coverage for their successful military operations. Russia has had scant few successes over the past few years so they are spreading propaganda that make them look as if they are winning which is getting picked up and parroted by Trump and other neo-fascists in the West.
I see negative stuff often, it’s just that there’s more positive lately. Also, the negative is neglected on purpose, because saying Ukraine is losing, would become a self-fulfilling future.
Russia had no significant gains over the last years with half a million casualties (KIA, MIA, lost limbs, war prisoners), the logistics is crumbling — they use donkeys, the economy and demographic are in the toilet but Russia is extremely good at spreading propaganda. So much so that the US admin is parroting it and putting pressure on Ukraine.
Don’t you hate on donkeys! They are an excellent mean of transportation on tough terrain. I don’t know in what context russia uses them, but the US do so too :D
Well that’s the thing, Donkeys are good for rough terrain like the mountains of Afghanistan NOT the flat open plains of ukraine, In ukraine they are just sitting unarmoured ducks.
And they’re cute too although some can be mean as fuck…
Eh, I’ll take it if we’re talking about actual donkeys and not the Republican party of the US. Did you that, in lieu of a dog, a donkey is a perfect way to protect livestock?
I’m serious, a predator should think twice; A donkey can grab a cougar’s tail and literally beat it to death by using the wildcat as a living flail. Very protective.
Republican party animal is the Elephant. Donkey is Dems.
Just to add, Ukrainians information is remarkably reliant and verifiable, the russian information is kremlin lies, so from the start the russian part is just not very interesing at all.
Also obviously they both talk about good things for them, classic war propaganda.
Add in that Ukraine is the (incredible) underdog and here we are.
This is an important point that people like to ignore, Whilst both sides exaggerate ukraine tells you there are 30 cows in a field when you can only see 28, Russia tells you there is an elephant and three dragons in the same field then tells you you’re falling for ukraines propaganda when you tell them you can only see cows.
Russia’s apparent war plan involves lots of slow attritional fighting, which isn’t flashy and rarely results in a “Win”. Not to mention we kind of do see the russian equivalent of this attack (Bombing hospitals, shopping malls and power infrastructure) reported on, it’s just not considered a win to kill civilians in the west.
A view I agree with not only on the basis of valuing peace, life and the safety of noncombatants but also on the basis of it not being an effective way to win a war, e.g Korean war, Vietnam war, or the near leveling of London and large swaths of europe in Ww2. Strategic bombing of civilian assets just makes the people being bombed more likely to fight back and willing to endure higher casualties on the front lines.
Fun tidbit, this depot explosion was initially claimed to be “Negligence and mishandling of munitions” by the kremlin, which along with “Smoking accident” is basically shorthand for “Was hit by a drone but we don’t want to let our people know that we aren’t able to keep the war away from them”.
Like the sinking of the Moskva, they choose a story that makes them look incompetent rather than giving the enemy a win. If you have to make this choice, you might be losing.
Basically? Wartime propaganda
Ukraine has been doing individual, small wins like this and they obviously toot their horn when it happens
But on a large scale, Ukraine has been slowly losing ground
This is a medium to large win.
Just FYI, even general Ben Hodges says they are in a stalemate now.
Stalemate means Ukraine is fucked because a war of attrition potentially without US support doesn’t look good for them at all
Like, it’s amazing they managed to hold shit together for all this time and all, but damn they’re looking pretty fucked ngl
The US didn’t even contribute 30% of munitions so far. European countries are able to pick up the slack. Just look at how much Germany has donated so far.
Eh I don’t think they are fucked. I feel like the perception that A. They REQUIRE US support to win (Which the US should be providing them ffs, you made them give up their nukes) and B. Russia is able to keep fighting long enough to win this way, are both false and largely influenced by a coordinated kremlin effort to portray russian victory as inevitable in order to strangle support for Ukraine.
For context, the Ukrainian people are fighting a defensive war and inflicting far higher casualties then they take for every metre of ground they lose and still have a hell of alot of ground to lose, whilst russia is not only at the disadvantage of being the aggressor (Which makes it harder to motivate your forces to fight),being a regime heavily dependent on the perception of their superiority (Making any attack like this a major blow to their “We are easily winning” internal narrative) and have burnt through almost their entire Cold War era stockpiles of materiel (This one is easy to check as a they were kind enough to store it outside in easy view of commercial satellites).
Tldr: Yes Ukraine is losing ground but they are losing it at a price russia can’t afford to pay so russia is desperate for the EU and US to stop supporting ukraine before the russian public wake up.
agreed, plus as it stands they’re actually somewhat on track for the “Russian disinformation” leaked 100 day peace plan
I’d assume because we are allied with Ukraine, and you’d see the opposite in Russia.
The Trump administration is very obviously not allied with Ukraine.
Well the US is not the only country that has helped Ukraine.
Mostly since the oligarchs in the western camp wants you to see their propaganda. It would be the other way around if you relocated. But if you really want you can find better sources.
Link some of those sources then.
Nah , you got internet. Do some work to keep yourself informed. I think it’s funny that this is the line here and at the same time negotiating deal is better for Russia than they suggested themselves multiple times. It’s in the mainstream now so you shouldn’t have any issues finding it. But I’m sure your copium can make the coup regime in ukraine winners here as well lol
In other words, you don’t have those sources.
Sources are for shitlibs. Hexbearites like Lovesausage are above such trivial matters like facts and reality.
It’s always the shadiest, most conspiratorial people that refuse to provide sources and say “jUsT gOoGLe iT”.
Provide sources or you simply will not be taken seriously, and overall look like an embarrassment.
Nah not really it’s mostly sad conspiracy people that follow propaganda and take it for facts. Do some work you can do it.
I’m happy to discuss the fact that the start of the leaked negotiatings are better than what Russia’s demands was before.
If you don’t believe sure , you will just need to wait until it’s undeniable. But as said I’m sure even if Ukraine was flattened and a nuclear wasteland it would be a win for you somehow.
It is not up to us to provide sources to your claim.
Just admit you don’t have any sources and all of it was bullshit.
This is evidence that the white house is riddled with Russian plants/propaganda not that the reality on the front is worse for Ukraine than we thought.
We always knew it was bad. It has never been good for Ukraine. If it ever gets good for Ukraine you will see Russians retreating. Nobody knows where that point is, but they are almost certainly closer today than they were a year ago.