Should the star podcaster take any responsibility for how he uses his power?

getting your opinions entirely from stand-up comics, Bigfoot forums, and various men named Dave might not be the optimal method for acquiring knowledge

    • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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      22 hours ago

      Reminder that Douglas Murray is a committed conservative who is very supportive of fascism, as long as it has the ‘right’ victims. So much so that he’s gotten an award by Isaac Herzog in 2024.

      Murray has been a supporter of Israel’s military response to the October 7 attacks by Hamas. He spent around 6 months in Israel, visiting Gaza twice, and writing in defense of Israel’s actions.

      Murray said “conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board: Europe must look like a less attractive proposition.” and that “All immigration into Europe from Muslim countries must stop.” Murray’s former coworker at the Centre for Social Cohesion, James Brandon, interpreted this speech as calling for the collective punishment of Muslims

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Murray_(author)

      • Skiluros@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        82·
        8 hours ago

        I started reading the article and I was curious what the context was and who was involved.

        I was shocked to hear that it was Douglas Murray who got into a conflict with Rogan. Murray out of all people (I am aware of his chauvinism due to some other stuff).

        What really struck me about this article was this:

        Nine days and five shows later, Rogan hosted Tim Dillon, another anti-woke comic, and together they impersonated Murray’s voice like middle schoolers at a sleepover. (“You haven’t beeeeen?”)

        I am not American, but I have lived there and travelled extensively. I have close friends who live there (both locals and immigrants from a very young age).

        I would always defend the US as a force for good in the democratic world (albeit a very flawed one) and highlight that compared to other major powers (russia, china), the US has been involved in a very good outcomes (post WW2 Germany/Japan, Poland and the Baltic nations after the breakup of the USSR).

        With the reelection of Trump, I am starting to wonder if this well ever be possible again (from my perspective Trump is a symptom, not a cause).

        But Rogan’s behaviour is an example of degeneracy. True degeneracy. Not degenerate as a random insult or say the term “degenerate gambler”, but the actual term like in the dictionary. A regressive, undesirable behaviour that is an affront to the development of human society. And this is perhaps the largest media personality in the US.

        It’s going to be very difficult for sane Americans to root out such degeneracy. And there are unfortunately (in my opinion) certain negative elements of American culture that are going to reinforce such behaviour. It will require novel approaches that I don’t believe Americans have the capability to explore (I hope I am wrong).

        • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
          7·
          16 hours ago

          I would always defend the US as a force for good in the democratic world (albeit a very flawed one) and highlight that compared to other major powers (russia, china), the US has been involved in a very good outcomes (post WW2 Germany/Japan, Polands and the Baltic nations after the breakup of the USSR).

          As an American who used to think that until I learned about the unabridged history of US domestic and foreign policy, the US has absolutely not been a force for good. In many, many cases, far from it.

          Knowing Better has many well made videos on the domestic side, including company towns, neoslavery, and the Indian removal.

          The US Doesn’t Meddle in Foreign Affairs

          America’s worldwide empire is made up of military bases, & how it became that way

          Every Place America Has Bombed (and why)

          United States involvement in regime change

          In addition to the history of propping up fascist dictators for the benefit of US corporate business, the US has also backed and materially support multiple genocides

          East Timor, Korea, Bangladesh, and Indonesia are the ones I know of. In addition to, of course, the ongoing genocide of Palestine.

          There is of course also the war crimes the US has committed against the populations of Afghanistan, Cuba, Korea, Iraq, and Cambodia. Among many others

          But Rogan’s behaviour is an example of degeneracy. True degeneracy. Not degenerate as a random insult or say the term “degenerate gambler”, but the actual term like in the dictionary. A regressive, undesirable behaviour that is an affront to the development of human society. And this is perhaps the largest media personality in the US.

          This has nothing to do with degeneracy. Outside of STEM, this term has no real use. ‘Social Degeneracy’ goes back to scientific racism and eugenics and has been used historically to dehumanize.

          Rogan, and practically every other alt-right podcaster, are reactionary and conservative. They are pro capitalism. Even when they acknowledge the material harms that people face, since they can’t rightfully recognize that capitalist exploitation is the root cause, they instead scapegoat minority groups such as immigrants, lgbt+, and pro-palestinian protesters.

          • Skiluros@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            11 hours ago

            Let’s leave the role of the US alone for now. I was just sharing my perspective in context or recent developments.

            I can see how the term degeneracy could be seen as loaded in the US context.

            But then my question would be, how would you describe Rogan’s behaviour and the fact that this particular act had zero impact on Rogan’s popularity? One could say that at the very least his following (and he is one of the largest media personalities in his home country) is tolerant of such acts.

            I would even go as far as saying that in other cultures even conservatives would share my views about the regressive nature of Rogan’s behaviour and the tolerance of his following for such antics.

    • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
      12·
      21 hours ago

      Pro Netanyahu - yeah, sorry but no.

      But it says something about Rogan and his ilk that even a guy like that would speak up against their BS.

      And the article makes at least one excellent point:

      Life was easier for them when Donald Trump was merely the punkish challenger to the presidency. Now Trump is in the White House, the former upstart independents of the Roganverse are the new establishment, and their desire for power without responsibility is being challenged.

      You can see this everywhere. The whole “Don’t tread on me” narrative just doesn’t work anymore, but they can’t seem to find anything else even while they proclaim to be pumped that their guy is at the top now.

        • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
          2·
          21 hours ago

          I see what you did there. Subconsciously, that might even be the case, but they could never admit it. Or they dress it up like “willing to suffer for a bright future” because Donny’s playing super complicated 4D chess.