I’m getting quite strained from the sentiment I’m gathering from people who possess a level of cynicism to where, they believe all Americans deserve what’s happening and been happening. I don’t agree with that.
There are 75 million Americans, who tried, really tried to get out there and prevent what was to come. We just didn’t expect to be outnumbered by two million more people. But I think it’s unfair to say that those 75 million americans who tried to prevent the floodgates from opening, deserve this. Because they don’t.
There are other countries out in the world right now, who have just as bad leadership if not worse. Should we just assume the people there deserve it? No. Because there are probably people who are likely against their corrupt leaders. America is no different in that field.
We will try again come mid-terms, provided there are mid-terms. Hopefully the 77 million americans who did in fact vote for trump, have gotten enough of a wake-up call, that maybe their poor judgment and poorer decision making wasn’t as good as they thought. Because it is they that have damned us to this mess and we know it, we’ve seen it.
But don’t get this idea in your head that every American endorse the idea that we like what we have.
We’re considered privileged is one problem. Also, when N Korea talks shit nobody cares. If the US is your neighbor and seriously discusses invading you, that is a very serious problem. People are sick of US bullying and the US dollar being held above their head, along with access to marine trade routes. If Europe makes the Euro the reserve currency or BRIC moves to make one and everyone divests in US bonds, we are super fucked. I hope for the rest of the world that it actually happens, so some of the evil will stop.
If you think voting will beat these fascists, you need to think harder about how you got here. You do not have an effective opposition, the Democrats are bought and paid for by corporations.
The midterm vote will not be free and fair. And if you wait until that is clear before fighting back, it will be much harder to do so.
I know you can’t do much against the power of the state alone. But you have to resist, or flee. Fleeing is fine, btw, there’s going to be a lot of refugees.
People here cannot afford to flee, unfortunately. That is very much by design. On top of that, which countries are taking refugees so far?
Here is where you american people have forgotten something extremely powerful and potent, that democrats have always had, but the opposition has not:
Standing together. Solidarity. Unity. Strength through numbers. Unions.
America is fundementally a very individualistic society, but people with our values know that true power comes from standing together. Build friendships which can evolve into alliances. Organize, even without established party involvement.
We are many who will help, even outside your borders. We may be across the atlantic, but we sure as hell will argue your case no matter what.
All the years I’ve spent on social media, I’ve argued right along with you against MAGA. I’ve helped as well as I can. Many Europeans have, and will continue to support you.
Maybe we just need to be more organized. To create real underground alliances. Help you in any way we can to make actual changes. Shit, I’ll gladly write to my representative right now and tell him how I believe our foreign policy should be.
I feel the only true way to save America anymore is a civil war. Corruption is too deep-rooted where voting and passing laws have all but become just theater. Rights have been taken away. Supreme Court rulings like Roe v Wade that we thought was to remain, have been overturned with more potential crucial rulings under threat in the same vein.
America didn’t become America because we fled. We became America because we fought Britain so long ago, to establish who we are as a country. But we’re not that anymore and we haven’t been for a long time. All of these alt-right people proclaiming they represent that spirit, only do so in sheer mockery.
Like I’ve said in another comment I’ve made, there is no scenario I can think of where we can solve this without blood. It is only a matter of when and the problem is what will it exactly take to finally break that camel’s back before we take up the true spirit again if it means reforming this country.
I everybody flees, things will get a lot worse quickly.
But not everybody is going to flee. So it’s a moot point
You do not have an effective opposition, the Democrats are bought and paid for by corporations.
Yeah, obviously. Everyone knows the billionaires give them bad consultants on purpose to make them gaff and lose votes. That’s how the Democrats stop progress to the left.
And everyone knows the counter strat is to vote for them anyway.
Outnumbered by 88 million, really. More than a third sat at home, fine with the current state of affairs.
If “did not vote” was a candidate, it would win almost every election… :(
That’s not how it works though. Not voting effectively means supporting the candidate who won. It is NOT neutral. It is not saying “I don’t want either candidate” (that’s not possible, or maybe only by moving out of the country or taking another citizenship) but in contrary saying “I am totally fine with either candidate and support the one the majority of everyone else supports”. If you’re saying “both are equally good/bad” you have to vote randomly (but that’s unrealistic, there is always a small favor to one or another candidate).
Just imagine the non voter would have voted randomly. If it would have been the winning candidate it wouldn’t have changed anything. If it would have been the losing candidate it would make a difference. So by not voting instead of voting randomly one effectively supported the winner.
Or it’s saying “My vote was surpressed”. They couldn’t get time off, they’re too tired from work, there aren’t enough polling places, polling stations aren’t open at the correct hours, they have more immediate problems to solve, the waiting times are too long, etc…
Don’t forget “purged from the voter roles” “registration inexplicably changed/deleted” and other fun beurocratic nonsense also used to surpress votes
There is something to be said for disenfranchisement… but the solution to it isnt to give up, it’s to fight back and demand the voice youre owed.
The point is that Trump did not get to where he is just from those who voted for him. There is a country that over the years swerved right, with the left doing nothing about it because they were too busy fighting themselves instead of fascism. And a good third to half of the population not fucking caring about this
Also it’s a failure of the whole society to have its people so extremely divided.
Don’t forget there is a legitimate conspiracy from BRIC countries to destabilize the rest of the world for their own gain, starting with the USA.
Americans are getting treated like americans treat everyone else. All this whining about it is not endearing. I’m sorry the shoe is on the other foot for a change, but you are not the first or only people to get kicked, so stop acting like it.
This wave of fascism has been building for decades. If in all those decades not enough americans were able or willing to stop this then America, as a system, as a country, is broken.
Between so many of the “wow, Americans aren’t doing anything” and “wow, is all Americans can think to do is shoot people” posts, and making light of mentions of protest or demonstration, all it’s doing is just shifting the blame to the individual and shrinking the goalposts to nothing. Yes, America created this, yes, Trump won the popular vote in the second term (ignoring any possible voter manipulation), and yes, voter turnout was the biggest it’s ever been. It’s clear people wanted Trump. But for the people that will listen, that will take action, all this kind of stuff is doing is crushing their spirit and driving them further into inaction.
I am Danish, and I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. I refuse to let borders decide loyalty. I know the vast majority of americans on this platform, stand fully behind our values.
I appreciate every single apology, and I welcome it, and I fully understand and realize that you had nothing to do with any of this lunacy. But I also urge you to be careful. Because the extent to which you disagree with your countrymen is extreme.
I am speaking as someone who saw this far away. I sold my investments in the US when he was elected in 2016. I know you are not stupid either. But I see you calling him a fascist, a rapist, a child molester… All of which may be true. But what will you do when he is standing at your door?
They are carrying weapons. They are deploying armed forces in the street. They are dismantling all the institutions you stand for before your eyes. They hate the weak, the colored, and those they consider less than them. They will soon begin to take away your ability to vote. Do you not see it? Have you woken up? Whatever rules and regulations you think keeps him in check are crumbling before your eyes.
You need to start considering your options under the second amendment. You need to fill your pantry. You need to build lasting relationships with people close to you that you can trust. Right now your bully is mostly targeting those he considers weak outside his borders. Where will he look next? Where will the Trump who replaces him look?
I reserve my disdain for my coworkers who didn’t see any point in voting.
My read on this is that since the end of the cold war, America has had a monopoly on decisionary power, and news media around the world has assigned responsibility for geopolitical events accordingly: whatever happens, wherever it happens, America has, at minimum, assented to it, and is therefore responsible for it. The first truly bizarre application of this reasoning that stood out to me was assigning blame for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on NATO. Since Russia lost the cold war, it is relatively weaker than its western neighbors, propped up by the US, and somehow that turns its acts of aggression over its former territories into defensive measures. It’s a unipolar read of geopolitics, where only one dominant power exists at the global scale, and any local complications in the balance of power are simply ignored. The same applies to the US’s internal politics. The US decides, so the US is responsible. Never mind all the attacks on democracy, representativity, and citizens’ safety and security. In the case of Milei, Orban, Bolsonaro, Putin, etc., people are more willing to see citizens as victims of their failing democracies; with the US, there is a failure to distinguish between the country’s global power and its citizens’ individual power.
Add to that longstanding resentment over the US’s hegemony and you end up with a lot of people who have sincerely been looking forward to this shitshow. You’re just one more piece of tinder in the bonfire they’ve been waiting for their entire lives
My point being, you’re expecting too much of most people if you’re hoping for a compassionate, nuanced read on the situation.
Many USA Americans vacationing here in Europe… when in fact they should be spending their vacation demonstrating against Trump in their hometown.
I think it depends. Some didn’t vote/couldn’t vote because their civil rights are being violated, because gop controlled states make it onerous for them to do so, usually in, ahem, “urban” areas
But yeah, others didn’t vote because they’re apolitical, or both sides are the same, or other bullshit, yeah fuckem
If doesn’t matter if you like it or not, when Trump does unhinged shit real people suffer out in the world.
They blame our country, they don’t blame just the president. And they shouldn’t - because all of us here going through our lives, going to work, paying taxes, obeying laws, keeping the economy going, etc. are instrumental to the power he is wielding as a club against everyone else.
If you don’t want to be blamed, then resist.
Yes, at this point it doesn’t matter if you voted for him or not. If you are positively contributing to US’ economy you are supporting his agenda.
People need to eat, unfortunately. Hard to eat while also not somehow contributing to the economy.
And yet people in other countries go on strikes. Not saying it’s easy in the US, but if everyone working refineries did probably that would have an impact
Yes, localized strikes are beginning to happen, finally. Unfortunately, many of those working blue collar union jobs (like in refineries) are who voted for this. Hopefully the strikes will spread nationwide, now that they’re planned for local metro areas.
What the US really needs is some sort of strike fund to ensure people can continue to eat while not being paid. The paycheck to paycheck workers currently have to decide between eating/housing or striking.
You can do your job really bad and sabotage stuff as a compensation
Oh yeah, absolutely. Quiet resistance like this can be very effective. But ultimately, you’re still going to have to contribute to the economy in some way.
What I mean is your net contribution can be zero or negative.
it’s divisive propaganda. it’s meant to divide people.
ignore it.
anyone who spreads it is either a bot or a fool.
Worse leadership in terms of being more corrupt and evil? Yeah. Worse leadership in terms of leadership? Hard to think of any examples.
The fact of the matter is it doesnt matter what we deserve. It matters what actually happens. Right now, it appears America is having a one-sided civil war.
