!piracy@lemmy.ml has also been blocked from lemmy.world.
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Lemmy.world has released an official response.
To be honest, it’s not a huge deal. The copyright cartel can easily send dmca requests to your isp just for having text guidelines. Not everyone has the bandwidth or energy to deal with stuff like that.
I just wish this wasn’t done at the request of a transphobic racist who just did it to get back at is for getting banned for making transphobic and racist communities in this instance.
Keep it up db0, a lot of us across the fediverse appreciate what you’ve built!
Don’t need lemmy world anyways. This is the most based instance on the entire fediverse. Their loss.
One of the most popular instance. This is why federation is necessary and people should create accounts in different servers instead of pulling everyone to one server calling it tge “official” or “main” server
At least they blocked a community and not the entire instance. This is how these things should be handled, imo
Yeah, they fell for the fucking troll. Excuse my french.
So beehaw was right whey they defederated from .world, there is shadiness there…
PS: this is one of the best communities in the fediverse, good job.
Beehaw’s reasons for defederation were completely unrelated to what’s happening now. They didn’t want the general public to have access to their “safe” community.
there’s more to “the general public” besides 2 instances. beehaw defederated from .world and sijw because the mod tooling to handle a huge influx of people isn’t ready, and it still isn’t ready. (and the rest of their defederations are an off the shelf mastodon blocklist import which all instances should do imo and a few explicitly unmoderated instances. oh and porn i think)
beehaw federates just fine with the instance i’m on, for example.
if they wanted to defederate completely, lemmy does support allowlist federation, and i’m pretty sure their admins know about it.
There’s nothing shady here, just kneejerk and protectionist.
Beehaw defederated because they they decided they didn’t want to actually moderate their communities. Easier to just screen everyone before letting them join, to weed out people they may potentially disagree with. Ostensibly to filter out hate but only a fool thinks it stops there.
Fucking Lemmy.world is hot garbage. They’re down every day and are constantly defederating with any instance that doesn’t fit their narrow, sanitized world views. It’s also one of the most recommended Lemmy’s with more new users going there than anywhere else. I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain. Especially if this domain makes as many boneheaded decisions as lemmy.world
I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain.
I agree, but 50% is still better than 100%. I definitely appreciate that I’m reading about this while being totally unaffected personally rather than just disappearing entirely like what happens with a banned subreddit.
We badly need Lemmy clients that can merge instances even if they’re defederated, as well as the other way around, filter out entire instances even if your instance won’t defederate from them. Letting instance owners dictate what you can or cannot see is not the way.
There are clients that will do the former (eg. Liftoff) but I’m not aware of any that will do the latter. I don’t understand why, it can’t be that hard to filter users and communities by instance.
I wanna say connect could do it for a while now. It’ll certainly come to many clients
I believe Memmy has a filter for communities and instances.
it does, but its broken. the list resets every time you close the app. At least on the full release current build
Yep, I agree. Yet another reason I just spun up my own instance and use that.
I’m curious as to what you’d need(other than a server) to spin oneupp
Some time and tinkering.
It’s quite straightforward (especially if you don’t use nginx or need email) to use the docker install.
So you need a Linux box (IDK about windows) a fix IP with a port routed to your machine and some free time. Oh yeah a domain name pointing to said IP.
That’s good to know, thanks! Would love to try that some day
It’s definitely achievable and I’d encourage anyone to play around with self hosting.
The main thing to acknowledge before getting started is that it’s an ongoing commitment, like a puppy. Getting it to work initially is the easy part, you can follow a guide and have something working in a few hours of effort. Running in to problems later on is the tricky part, automated backups and upgrades et cetera, something needs a re-start, things just stop working for some reason.
Ah yeah, I can imagine it’s not a one and done thing, you’d have to do a lot of support with your server, can see it being a massive time sink
A lot of people register there initially to get their feet wet and move on to another instance later for these reasons. At least we have subscriptions/blocks transferring tools now.
Yep. I started there, found it down all the time and then moved on.
I did it the moment they decided not to defederate from Meta. I don’t like admins who can’t take decisive actions to protect their users (and apparently seem to bend their knees to any big corpo out there)
That sounds like a contradictory stance
I’m fairly new, what are the tools?
This is the tool I used: Lemmy Account Settings Instance Migrator
I also used LASIM but I remember someone else mentioning another tool that could do multiple accts at once. check out this list for it and more tools.
step 1 - go to reddit
step 2 - ?
step 3 - profit
unfortunately i don’t know the specific answer, but you might find something interesting here:
or here:
I would like to move to a different fediverse please.
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Bungiefan_ak appears to have literally two hobbies, and they’re being anti-piracy and actively a fascist.
Funny how that works out.
same account name (different instance) is also posting transphobia on https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/nomoretroons
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Its been deleted now, but that person has successfully trolled every lemmy.world user and is obviously full of hate and intolerance.
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The goal is to get people reactionary about it so it’s good to recognize and completely ignore them, not even a downvote.
@Bungiefan_ak@lemm.ee joined 8 hours ago.
I think lemmy.world gather the kind of redditors that like sanitized world views, the power of decentralization makes us choose an instance without those hot garbaje takes as lemmy.world.
100% spot on. I got called all sorts of names for pointing this out, but maybe my own fault for pointing it out on one of their posts! 😅
I started on lemmy.world because it was the most popular server at the time and I didn’t really understand how the fediverse worked. I spent the first month sort of just learning to stop trying to think like I was on reddit. The federation feels to me like pirate TV/ ham radio, people broadcasting their visions and worldviews while rebroadcasting other stations/nodes. Each instance, has it’s own “feel”. I see the entire instance I’m on as a greater solarpunk community, which is filled with smaller, related communities of people all sharing their own interests.
This is a memory of how the Internet was first envisioned by many people, before the corporate takeover. I am interested in FOSS, I am interested in “piracy”, I am interested in any exchange of knowledge that helps us work together, spread skills, and empower communities, both virtual and on the ground.
But all that aside, lemmy.world is just too unreliable for it to be my entrypoint into the fediverse. Which is why I looked around and found a place that feels more in line with my own sense of hopefulness for the future.
Let the garbage go there
They should have shut down registrations a long time before they gained such a majority of users.
They stand behind the lie that “if we didn’t let people in, they wouldn’t know where to go”… as if it’s so hard to create a new registration page that re-routes people to other instances.
I’ll never understand the selfishness of people like that. They know they’re actively hurting all of lemmy, but they want to keep all the users to themselves. This thing only works if it’s a collection of smaller instances.
@tron @Madbrad200 >Fucking Lemmy.world is hot garbage. They’re down every day and are constantly defederating with any instance that doesn’t fit their narrow, sanitized world views.
welcome to the fedi, first day here? :guraKekw:
This feels like an obvious bullshit cop-out reason to defederate against a specific community that they don’t like for whatever silly reason they can’t reveal to the public.
Never have I seen an actual link to content survive very long on lemmy.ml or dbzer0.com. Just like the good old /r/Piracy we discuss piracy, but we do not directly facilitate it.
Someone please slap the back of their heads repeatedly and aggressively with these facts. This excuse is disingenuous as hell.
If you are a user of lemmy.world; RUN. NOW! Find a new instance. Switch away from them before they reach terminal enshitification velocity.
enshitification
You’re already misusing our cool new word. Cut it out.
Too many people don’t know what it actually means.
No. It is enshitification. Do not @ me.
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Have you read the definition? It’s a platform reducing the quality of services to increase profit. Nothing about this is to increase profit.
You are 120% wrong and it IS enshitification.
@ @ @
I am using the actual definition. Saying you are x percent wrong isn’t an arguement. You’re just making yourself look bad.
This is Doctorow’s made up word.
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Turns out beehaw is more based than world.
Nah. It’s a walled garden, you should know better than to trust those by now.
Beehaw is trash (and so are people who say based)…
Be nice as a main rule? Fuck you, this is the internet. I don’t like most of you and I think you should know it.
Suggestion: account on small instance, communities on large ones
Only correction I offer is accounts, on small instances. Not just one on one instance.
Don’t worry you don’t need ten accounts, you will always be able to make a new one, should the need arise
Why communities on large ones, doesn’t that achieve centralization of the content?
Well, not if the communities are distributed across several large instances, no?
Small istances don’t have the resources to host large communities
And just like that I learned about a Steam Deck piracy community.
Something something Streisand Effect.
TBF it doesn’t seem like they were against piracy per se, they just wanted to avoid potential liability. That said, I’ve still moved on to another instance.
This 100%
I don’t know why people are making this dramatic, this was absolutely a functional and pragmatic decision.
A transphobic troll got spanked and then retaliated with that post and the .world admins were stupid enough to blindly follow the directions of an alt-right turd.
Just saying.
Not just transphobic but racist as well and going by the posted pebbleyeet memes probably also fascist. Sad that the lemmy.world admins took the bait especially after dealing with constant ddos themselves for kicking off their own trolls
It’s comedy how wishy washy they are on not federating with Meta despite bunch of their users saying they hate Facebook and Zuck but are convinced to defederate from us by a single post from such a suspicious account.
Just because that’s the post we see doesn’t mean there isn’t more to this.
Realistically, I can see other instances doing this eventually as well.
I just saw the same user on the star trek instance, accusing them of being into ‘nerd shit’
It’s doubtful they posted to .world with genuine concerns. They just seem like an agent of chaos.
‘nerd shit’
On Star Trek? Imagine that! (I’ve been nerding over there, off and on, all day) 🤣
Incidentally, when I looked up that user earlier in the day, they account was 8 hours old.
Source for this person being transphobic? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just don’t know where this is coming from…
About 5 shitty memes that are now deleted, that’s what this post is in response to in the first place.
And the fact that I can see this means sh.itjust.works hasn’t, yey
Hi Lemm.ee. Bye lemmy.world.
The guy who started this whole thing by asking lemmy.world admins to defederate with lemmy.dbzer0.com is a lemm.ee account and he has asked lemm.ee to take similar action
Doesn’t matter who started it, all that matters is how the admins handle it. If all it takes is a new user asking for a community or instance to be blocked/de-federated and it just happens no questions asked, the admin in charge are to blame, not the person for asking.
That was not my point. My point was that the guy who planted the idea in the heads of the lemmy.world admins has planted the idea in the heads of the lemm.ee admins. They may or may not respond similarly as the lemmy.world admins
Again - doesn’t matter. The admins are the ones making the decisions. The admins are the ones that made this dumb one.
Good on them if they don’t fall to the bait
If I can just put things in the heads of the admins by making a post, then there’s something wrong with those admins.
Why don’t I just make a post suggesting they defederate from everyone and become a whitelist only server. Obviously they won’t do that because it would be the end of the instance so they do actually think about things. They just used this random person posting as an excuse. Hell, for all we know it’s one of the admins using an alt, and they just want an “excuse”.
I’m pretty certain the lemm.ee dev won’t block it. Time will tell.
I’ll tell ya a couple of three things, my estimation of Lemmy.world as a general-purpose instance just fucking plummeted.
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I think this is better tbh, I personally don’t like it when piracy forums/sites/whatever piracy related thing goes too mainstream. Maybe it’s gatekeeping, I don’t know, I just don’t want another Z-Library incident.
Either way, they probably aren’t even against piracy, they’re probably just lazy and don’t want to deal with any of the issues they could potentially face down the line.
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I kind of agree, with the caveat that I think it’d be super cool if the existing dbzer0 members also checked out other communities on different instances and made Lemmy more popular. I feel like that would be a win-win.
The more mainstream and well-known dbzer0 becomes, the more likely it is to have problems because of that.
For this community in particular, I think having a “federated community” would be especially helpful. Piracy communities will inevitably be taken down, but distributing them across many federated communities turns it into a game of whack-a-mole.
dbzer0 is no exception to this. There will be a time that the admin will start receiving DMCAs and will need to choose between complying and throwing themselves into legal jeopardy.
Unfortunately, the lemmy project maintainers and lead devs seem largely uninterested in such a feature and I lack the skill necessary to implement it, so it’s down to an invested and skilled community member, if it ever happens.
We already do :) It’s all federated so dbzer0 members can view/subscribe/participate in other Lemmy communities.
ZLibrary never went down fully. There were always ways to access it.
i honestly think the z-library incident was a one-off because it was spread by colleen hoover fans on tiktok so i’m hoping that it won’t happen again… but maybe that’s just wishful thinking :/
I will just subscribe here from my porn account then.
The hero
MVP
Sounds like a plan.
That’s exactly what I just did haha
This is the way
wow it’s almost like having a huge chunk of lemmy’s users in one instance is a bad thing. who would’ve thought.
seriously though more people should migrate to smaller instances.
It makes me wonder if and when we’ll see clients that also act as single-user instances.
I’ve been saying that for a while, start a service where you can pay x€ per month for self-hosting your 1 to 5 users instance, that makes it easy to get it started via a few choices, and I’m sure it would be very popular.
If there are any code-masters out there that want to partner with someone that can lead the vision/sales/UX aspect of it, hit me up.
I’m going to host my own instance and I will be the only user on it. That’s the best option for me at the moment.
Lemmy.world is dogshit. It feels like a nanny instance or like a reddit 2.0. Idk why people keep joining that bullshit instead of spreading out.
I’m so happy that I joined a small instance that hasn’t defederated or been defederated from anyone
Go be a shepherd and encourage people to move elsewhere
Well it got me to move, so something is working.
Me too. I just found hexbear.net. Much better.
What’s hexbear?
Not much, what’s hex with you? 🤣
I think it is an instance full of evangelical leftists?
Gross and they replied to my comment. I need a shower now.
No thank you
No evangelism of any kind–rather dirtbag leftism. Chapo Trap House is defined on Wikipedia. They’ve been around for a while. They’ve got podcasts. They write books. They’re smart, well-informed, and take no prisoners. They’re also comradely toward honest, curious newcomers. If one were, say, proudly liberal and sure in their understanding of history and politics, it probably wouldn’t be a good fit.
Chapo Trap House lemmy.
That’s what I’m doing. 2 people already said they’re gonna switch!
Honestly I don’t think I want to join that server but I’m glad I don’t have to. They’re far too political out of the gate I just want a piracy focused community that unredacts that part of the internet
Hmmm, your chosen instance interests me
Haha. Nice name. Simple. Elegant. I like it.
Idk why people keep joining that bullshit instead of spreading out.
Probably because they don’t understand how federation works. People are used to signing up for centralised services, so when they come to Lemmy because of a reddit post where someone said “I just signed up at lemmy.world, it’s great” and then they install an app and lemmy.world is the first instance listed, they just blindly assume that is the official/main instance that they should start with.
Hello all. First post here. Moved over from lemmy.world because of this.
I joined as well. New to Lemmy. Never even heard of dbzer0 until that post. There have been a few complaints of .world degenerating other communities as well. Streisand effect.
It’s not really a Streisand effect, because .world doesn’t give a shit if you go to those places or not - they just don’t want the liability of you doing it from their instance.
Arrrr
Made the switch from lemmy.world the other day due to this. Not necessarily because of who they defederated/blocked, but because this happens with little/no consultation or communication with the user base. The frequency of it became frustrating; who knows what other community/instance will be blocked on a whim next?
I appreciate that the LW admins do this as a hobby in their free time, but things like this could be approached in a better way, or at the very least with better communication. I found out about this via a post in /c/mildlyinfuriating, which in itself was mildly infuriating lol.
Migrated to this instance, and I can choose via Connect which instances or communities I want to see. Should have done this sooner.
Beehaw pulled the same crap. Weeks ago. Glad they rejected my sign up.
Is there anything to discuss in this case?
Its fair enough. They gotta protect their ass.
I just logged into a user made on this instance. Problem solved. And lemmy.world has had a ton of downtime anyway. Always trouble loading comments and often trouble loading posts
